Re: Need Advice
Re: Need Advice
- Subject: Re: Need Advice
- From: Neil Barstow <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:16:25 +0000
Cris
as you say, with all due respect,
On Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 3:45 pm,
Cris Daniels, email@hidden, wrote:
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>I hear of people weekly who were persuaded to buy a RIP with a printer
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> because the printer supposedly worked better with it. It is certainly
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> not always so.
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Neil, with all do respect, not everyone is going to be happy with the color
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accuracy of these printers out of the box.
I'm not suggesting they would, and in some cases [difficult papers?] a
RIP will certainly help. I don't think many discerning photographers
will be happy without proper profiles either.
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Its also been well documented and proven over and over that an ICC
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profile cannot usually curb the nasty behavior of certain output
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problems.
I certainly wouldn't agree it's <usually> unsucccessful, there are a
lot of us out here doing it with great success, daily.
With certain output problems, on certain printers, with certain
inksets, and certain stocks, yes, of course. A good profileable RIP
with transparent linearisation and proper ICC compliance will certainly
be useful.
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The standard driver is a way to get your feet wet, but even
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with Atkinson profiles I can well surpass the results with
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ImagePrint.
I'm surprised, I thought Bill's work excellent on the 9600 and 7600.
I'm hearing great things about ImagePrint fro some people. But let's
get the story straight.
Haven't I seen you, yourself, comment here that Imageprint really needs
custom profiles for acccuracy. It seems a not insignificant task to
produce and use them - as I hear from those who tried. Can't recall if
Andrew ever cracked that one.
I've certainly read a lot of recipes for setting up the driver, which
seems far from transparent, but I don't think I've read of a success.
So, I'm just plainly asking Cris, can it be done, making a profile for
ImagePrint with normal tools [say PMPro] and still retaining
Colorbyte's hard work on linearisation?? I was told that the
linearisation is inside their profile - so lose the profile and you
lose the lin?? Shame, they sem to have done good work.
If not, what's the deal for those whose printer doesn't match the one
at Colorbyte? Did I hear right you can subscribe to the RIP service
contract and have Colorbyte to get time to do a custom profile, what's
the turnaround time for that?
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Onyx works well with these printers as well, but it is more suited
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to prepress workflows and has a lot of extra tools for screwing with things
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that users shouldn't be touching anyway.
sure, so it works well but not that well for this use?
and hows the the dither? Photographic quality seems pretty rare.
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I can also say for sure that the 7600/9600 are about 30% faster with
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ImagePrint than with the stock driver, that is quite a productivity
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increase in itself.
indeed. a nice bonus
sounds like it's worth a try
but he was complaining about colour from the rip he was shown, it is
important to point out that the printer works pretty well without one
in a photo workflow.
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You can also make a strong
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case that B+W printing is all but impossible with the standard driver.
Well, I definitely don't agree there, I've seen exemplary mono from a
European 9860 I profiled in the UK. For a fine monochome photographer
with VERY high standards. Little or no noticeable illuminant metameric
graybalance shift was seen.
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ImagePrint , Onyx, Wasatch, Scanvec, lots of people print non
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postcript with these systems and don't feel cheated out of their
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money.
I didn't say they couldn't get the results, though many would say that.
Just that this guy should look at the Epson driver with a good profile
before writing the check.
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I'd demo the printer with and without a RIP and decide if it
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will pay for itself as far as print quality and time/media saved, and
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just how much this is worth to you.
Always try the options, of course.
As I remember he already demoed the printer with a RIP, and was
disappointed [with various reasons possible of course], I was merely
offering an alternative which the salesman may not have mentioned..
all the best
neil
Neil Barstow
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