Re: ICC Profile location for PS RAW
Re: ICC Profile location for PS RAW
- Subject: Re: ICC Profile location for PS RAW
- From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:05:39 -0700
on 11/4/03 10:04 PM, Stretch Tuemmler wrote:
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I know this camera profiling subject is very passionate, but you're
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passing judgment on a product you haven't even tried. The Profile City
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version was a very different version. I encourage both you & Bruce to
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contact Derrick to ask about getting a demo of 20/20, it works!
When we get a copy, we'll be quite happy to test it. I spent a week teaching
CMS at the Santa Fe Photo Workshops (which I do several times a year) as
well as showing all kinds of CMS software (as well as write about it). These
guys know how to get a copy to me if they want to. I've said in the past
MANY times (as has Bruce) that the older software was a solid product
(although it too failed to provide even close to 100% successes rate
building camera profiles). But it certainly had the best track record at the
time.
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I've been shooting for 20 years, the
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last 4 have been digital using PhaseOne backs. Camera profiling with
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Coloreyes 20/20 works.
A bit of apples to oranges. The PhaseOne back doesn't provide a "true" raw
file but rather you process the raw in the host software which is ICC savvy.
Field cameras like the Canon/Nikon/Fuji etc can shoot a raw file and the
host converters suck bad and by and large don't support any ICC profiles.
The alternative (among many) is Adobe's Camera RAW. Shooting on location
with a dozen different setups per day with gigs and gigs of individual raw
files is a vastly different workflow than using a camera in a studio
situation. For a lot of people, ACR is far more productive and one can
offset all the work after the shoot.
This doesn't make ACR better, but different. It doesn't mean these shooters
are even expecting a one click fix (no editing in ACR) however I find 9
times out of 10, that's pretty darn close to what I can get.
As I said the other day, photographers I work with, using these kinds of
camera systems and shooting the volume of images they do are not screaming
for custom profiles. In fact many are just happy as clams with the non raw
settings (if you put a gun to my head I'll at least say it's OK when set to
"Adobe RGB").
There are several fine tools for dealing with these camera files. To suggest
that there's a flaw in ACR because you can't use a custom profile doesn't
hold water and is usually propagated by those that have a profile package to
sell or those that have used profiles but not ACR and assume it's flawed.
There are cases where a good custom profile is certainly desirable and makes
a huge difference in the resulting quality of color files. I've never said
otherwise. I've said getting the profile can be like pulling teeth and I'm
still not convinced that one profile works in all situations with all camera
systems. In fact I'm not convinced that one target/package will work with
all camera systems in all situations since years of doing this has shown me
this is the case.
That isn't the case is when dealing with scanners/displays/printers profile
generation. 99% of the time, the product works and delivers. I've been
bitten once or twice with some really odd ink set but otherwise, I know that
when I build a custom printer profile, it's going to work. It's not going to
produce a preview with some odd areas that show banding or posterization.
That's something I've seen with every camera profile package I've laid my
hands on over the last 5-6 years.
If someone has a mousetrap that works all the time, I'm a fan and will say
so. And I'd like that to be the case. It's just not something I've yet to
encounter with camera profiles. In the meantime, ACR allows me, with the
cameras I've tested to at least get 90% or better and the 10% isn't an issue
like posterization.
Andrew Rodney
http://www.imagingrevue.com/
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