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Re: Remote proofing
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Re: Remote proofing


  • Subject: Re: Remote proofing
  • From: bruce fraser <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:52:57 -0800

At 9:09 PM +0100 3/13/04, Henrik Holmegaard wrote:
bruce fraser <email@hidden> writes :

Ink limits, certainly, but black replacement most certainly not.
Black replacement is as much an image-specific concern as a
process-specific one. Simple, real world example. Screen shots
absolutely need a heavy black generation. Most natural images will
actually be hurt by a heavy black generation, particularly ones with
dark saturated colors.

The screenshots in my copy of Stefan, Dietmar and Liane's PostScriptum have a nice magenta cast, which was an excellent reason for not printing the cookbooks. But other than that I'd want better black replacement and better press control systems long before I even so much as began to think about multiple destination spaces.

Don't think multiple destination spaces-think flexible KGen. It's not just the gray balance that makes screen shots demand Max K, it's also the ability to make small black type readable, and it's more necessary on a press with wobbly registration than on one that behaves exquisitely.


You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

That is a totally unacceptable way to try to wriggle out of the real needs of print manufacturers.

The #1 issue that print providers have with RGB workflows is the current difficulty of ensuring that things like black text and black drop shadows separate as K-only. That's a document structuring issue rather than a color management one, and it's being worked on.

The #2 issue that print providers have with RGB workflows is the inflexibility of KGen. KGen is not merely a process-specific issue. Yes, each process has a range of black replacement that will produce bad results when you go outside that range, but KGen is also very much an image-specific issue.

An image of silverware on a white lace tablecloth wil benefit from a fairly heavy black plate. An image of chocolates, or dark leathers, or a city skyline at night, will be killed by that same fairly heavy black plate.

It's just silly to pretend that a single static profile is adequate for press characterization for the purpose of making color separations. You can use a single static profile for proofing already-separated content, but not for creating high-quality separations of diverse image content. This is something every scanner operator learns by day 2.

I'm far from being the only person who has this concern. It's shared by all the trade printers and all the high-end separation houses I've ever talked to, and if color management is ever going to be embraced, rather than barely accepted with ill grace, by those communities, it's an issue that needs to be addressed, not swept under the rug.

It's entirely up to you whether you want to be part of the solution or part of the problem. But I know which side evangelizing a workflow that creates pink dialog boxes puts you on from my perspective. If color management is going to work for content of higher quality than blowaway cards or supermarket inserts, flexibility in KGen is vital. Next to this, the rendering intent issue (which is still real) pales into insignificance.
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