Re: Match the Proofer?
Re: Match the Proofer?
- Subject: Re: Match the Proofer?
- From: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:09:28 -0400
Mathew,
Printers, by design, are expected to match whathever proofs they submit
for approval. Otherwise, like you say, what is the point of submitting
proofs in the first place? Secondly, I agree there is a certain degree
of deviation from the proof we, as buyers, have to be ready to accept.
Unfortunately, that degree is never put down into words or convenient
color tolerance specifications. But when asked about what is a good
tolerance in printing, I've too often printers rush to say they that 2
deltaEs is easily attainable -- routinely. Give me a break!
Now, if presses actually did not match proofs then I know a lot of
people at hair coloring companies like L'Orial and others that would
fire all their printers tomorrow morning first thing because that's not
the way it works. Everyone has its own experience in the color
reproduction field here. Mine is not particularely extensive, to this
day. But I will never forget the case of that hair colorant company
suing a large magazine publisher because their advertisement came out
with three different sets of colors accross three magazines they'd
bought space in. I've seen the printed pieces. it was plain to see that
in magazine A, the hair color was brown. In magazine B, it was reddish
and in magazine C it was grayish brown. What do you think was used as a
base to substantiate the claim : proofs signed off on by the hair
colorant buyer.
I think they don't call it contract proof for nothing.
My two cents,
Roger Breton
On 26-May-04, at 8:33 PM, Politano, Matthew wrote:
Hi,
I have found this list enormously helpful and I was hoping you could
all set
me straight on something:
I'm trying to find a printer who will provide profiles for their
proofer so
I can soft proof on my calibrated monitor. I know the best thing would
be to
send test files and then build my own profiles, but I don't have the
tools,
nor the funds to buy them.
The trouble I'm having is that I get one of two different arguments
from
printers:
1) That wouldn't do you any good because our press can't match the
proof
(usually the case with shops doing laminate proofs). This seems utterly
insane to me - I know you can't get an exact match, but what's the
point of
providing a proof at all if it won't closely match what comes out on
press.
Am I way off base in thinking this?
2) That wouldn't do you any good because it still won't be accurate.
You
should send test files and then match those by the numbers. This one
really
puzzles me because what's the point of profiling a device if it isn't
accurate? Plus, I really don't have the time (or patience) to go
through
every part of a job with the eyedropper tool to make sure everything's
kosher when I have a calibrated screen anyway.
OK - that was a bit rant-y, I apologise. But seriously, what is
reasonable
to look for/expect from a printer that claims to use colour management?
Many thanks in advance,
Matt (frustrated designer) Politano
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