Re: Very dumb question (was:Dumb question for european prepress specialists)
Re: Very dumb question (was:Dumb question for european prepress specialists)
- Subject: Re: Very dumb question (was:Dumb question for european prepress specialists)
- From: Paul Schilliger <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:49:19 +0100
Rich Apollo wrote:
He discarded the profile at opening and took
his measuring tool. He measured a patch that was supposed to be 50%
Magenta. Of course it wasn't 50% Magenta any more, for without profile,
the values were misinterpreted.
>This cannot be accurate. If the profile was merely discarded, the file
values would not be altered.
True, I was wrong on that one. Profiles when they are not there
don't change the numbers, it's true, they only change
the way they look on screen or are reproduced to paper.
But isn't the final issue the same.
Rich Apollo wrote:
>But, really, what goes into your selection of a printer? Do you ask
the same questions that you post here? What would steer you away from
a printer? This was Paul's thread, originally - why is he hunkering
down to develop a workflow with a printer that doesn't meet his
expectations? And would it really cost him more to deal with someone
who is more up to date? What's the cost of the problem you didn't
have? Does it come out less expensive to use the cheaper printer to
generate 3 rounds of corrections and proofs and be late on the job?
I have worked with a number of local and delocated printers, not one had a
proper ColorSync flow even if they thought they had.
As someone said in an earlier post some months ago, when a printer receives
a CMYK file he assumes the file is ready for his press.
Maybe the profile their press is set for is a well kept secret that they share only
with a small group of services. It seems as impenetrable as the swiss banks,
but I would rather believe that sometimes they have long forgotten what it was.
Their answers are evasive: You can use Eurostandard... And what about ISO Coated?
Yes, ISO Coated is fine too! And then you have a chance to lurk above their
employee's shoulder and you see that Photoshop is set for EuroCoated V2.
The only times I have seen relatively good color straight have been
when I sent a sRGB file! (never Adobe RGB again!!!)
Perhaps I am simply too demanding and should be satisfied with what comes
out of press even if it shifts in all directions. It's true that the printers seem always
a bit surprised not to say offended when I make a comment. And talking of proofs,
I rarely see one that truly matches the final print, there is always place for interpretation,
even Sherpas that are said to be accurate.
Sigh... I guess it's like many things in life: There is what we would want and there is
what we can afford.
Thanks for sharing!
Paul
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