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Re: Goodbye ICC, here come Microsoft !
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Re: Goodbye ICC, here come Microsoft !


  • Subject: Re: Goodbye ICC, here come Microsoft !
  • From: Erik Koldenhof <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:51:13 +0200

Hey all,

I just had the chance to read the whole doc from MS and more or less follow this ongoing discussion.
Here are my two cents:



I agree with Jan-Peter on the technical benefits that WCM could bring us, the endusers.
I won't go in to the marketing talk that is weaved throughout the MS doc, as it also discusses true issues with current ICC specs as well.


But, let's face it: ICC brought us more then 90% in WYSIWYG, and Apple clearly did a great job in implementing ICC technology from day 1 on.
I did not see such a OS level of ICC implementation on the other side. So, in my humble opinion, the credit still goes to the ICC and Apple for their first 10+ years.
It is not more than logical that a new vision on color engines, primairly adresses the 'issues' found in it's counterpart.
Just take a look at Adobe's Unique Selling Points for InDesign v1 some years ago (OK, they were right also, but it took some time to mature)...


The role of ColorSync is (unfortunately) NOT for the real highend endusers, but more for those who want to have some nice way of dealing with colors.
The ColorSync implementation might not have been as transparent to us all, but it does a great job (< 10.4), even in combination with Adobe's ACE.


Back to the ICC once more: It's my believe that most of the so called 'color errors' that we might find today, are based on implementation errors by the OS/application software developers on one hand, and enduser errors in settings on the other. Not the ICC spec itself. Most endusers who are experiencing flaws in color appeareance will normally not think about that, and just state that 'ICC colormanagement is not working' in general.

The MS document discusses transparent workflows with optimum color results on one side,
and at the same time applauses for nifty stuff like the additional rendering plugins that developers can add to the workflow (which will change the color appearance of your image).
If you don't use the same rendering settings (and possible additional plugins) on two workstations, the result migth be the same when using two different rendering intents today on those same workstations working with ICC.


But, let's try to implement it all. Are all apps going to have native WCM support from day 1?
Will WCM in pratice solve everything it says it does? How about setting prefs for all those tiny details in WCM at an enduser level?
Will those be 'transparent' and understandable for the normal enduser?
I'm not sure, I would like to see it first...


Is ICC colormanagement really that bad? Did it never enhance our workflows by hundreds of procents?
Ok, Apple's MacOS 10.4 'Tiger' is one that we would rather forget (for it's ICC support that is (or isn't)),
but I would like to see MS' WCM in action first...


Erik Koldenhof
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