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Re: Creating Proofs for ISO Coated & FOGRA Proof Verification
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Re: Creating Proofs for ISO Coated & FOGRA Proof Verification


  • Subject: Re: Creating Proofs for ISO Coated & FOGRA Proof Verification
  • From: Martin Orpen <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:56:48 +0000

On 8 Dec 2006, at 08:56, Joseph Yates wrote:

But with the ECI and DigitalProof forums in Germany now adding measurements for changes in hue and the IPA Proof Round Ups adding Visual Match - along with other criteria – since all the proofing systems seemed to be able to meet the wide numeric DeltaE tolerances - are these “verifications” which – as I understand them – rely ONLY on numeric deltaE measurements - really going to give me a accurate proof-to-press proof?

EFI's XL RIP taking the prize would suggest that scoring well on the visual match and getting tight tolerances on the Fogra wedge aren't mutually exclusive?


We would never send out proofs that exceed 3 dE on the Fogra wedge, but that is because it is easy to do when you are using a device as stable as an Epson ink jet. But the destination device isn't quite as easy to control so the set dE tolerance can't be made too stringent otherwise it isn't going to work for the press people who would not be able to match very tight dE tolerances across a single sheet let alone a whole run.

The most important things for me in choosing to adopt the Fogra standards is process control and "open" standards.

We take more care over calibration and the the quality is measured every time we create a proof. To question the quality of our proof requires the recipients to be aware of both the Fogra and ISO standards and have the necessary hardware and software to test the accuracy. Therefore raising the expertise and awareness for everybody in the production process.

This is a much better way of working than either a "visual standard" or a proprietary one whereby the proof is claimed to be authoritative but the recipient has no easy or independent way of testing it.

In the UK we are witnessing the death of a proprietary standard - the PPA's dreadful Proof4Press. This consisted of a media wedge that nobody could test independently because it relied on a black box containing the characterisations of the devices from manufacturers that bought into the process.

This amounted to buying your PPA approval simply by buying an approved device - like Digital Cromalin - and an approved test kit. No expertise required.

Likewise, the recipients approved the proofs by looking at the sticker or flipping the proof over and looking at the logo on the back. No expertise required and no need to purchase any test devices - no wonder the "industry" loved this laughable "standard". It cost the publications and printers nothing and guaranteed sales for DuPont and Creo (whose executives were numerous on the committees that thought up the "standard").

I'm not pretending that Fogra and ISO are perfect, but the working methods are way better than old-fashioned visual and proprietary methods. If a better standard or a better process control method comes along then we'll adopt it - but I suggest that you take the criticisms of those who don't offer a more open or testable workflow with a very large pinch of salt...

BTW we are also using Ugra certification on our displays now. Trouble is, we can't get any of our Apple Cinema Displays to pass any of the test criteria apart from "layout" :-(

Regards

--
Martin Orpen
Idea Digital Imaging Ltd


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