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Re: Rip Software


  • Subject: Re: Rip Software
  • From: Matthew Kelly <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:37:02 -0600

I worked with the Roland FJ500 and the same ink set and used the ColorBurst Prepress RIP, which handles the 8 colors quite well, and allowed one to apply curves to each of the colors. It also allows the creation of custom spot color values.

My objective was to create a hifi (or Hexachrome) profile with a 4 color press as the source, and then use the expanded proofer gamut to create better Pantone matches. I would enter in the lab values from Gretag Macbeth's Colorpicker, having assigned to the application the hifi profile, into the custom spot color table in Colorburst. It seemed crazy but it just might work.

The reality was that I was never able to get a proofer gamut that was any better than what I was getting from a Sherpa43 CMYKcm. I tried various papers and Pantone Vantage inks. I used ProfileMaker with the multicolor plug-in for the hifi profile.

When I looked at canned profiles, they were not any better.

So my point is, is it possible to get a good hexachrome profile off of the Roland HiFi, as compared to a press set up for hexachrome? If it is the fact that it is not possible, that would relieve me of being the source of the failure.


Matthew Kelly Prepress Supervisor Litho Press, Inc. 4334 Milling Road San Antonio, TX 78219 210-541-0707 email@hidden


On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Pat Hagan wrote:

In looking over the comments on rips, I'd like some input on my situation, which is printing fine art on a Roland FJ500, running CMYKLcLmOrGr Roland pigment ink sets. For the past 5 years or so I've been using the ScanvecAmiable Photoprint rip, with the additional color profiler, and have had good results in profiling the Bulldog canvas, and Hahnemuhle papers that I use, especially in version 3. I upgraded to version 4 a little over a year ago, and the profiling in that version is a disaster when it comes to Hexachrome ink sets. They've been very helpful, and have tried to create profiles for me, but the results are no better than what I was able to do, which wasn't even close. Version 4 is supposed to work with 3rd party profilers(I have MonacoProfiler Platinum), but again, when it comes to hexachrome, it's impossible.
I've been told by someone I trust with this issue at Scanvec that the new version 5 of Photoprint still can't handle the Or & Gr in profiling, either with it's own Color Profiler, which I have, or with a 3rd party prifiler, but an update in the next month or so should resolve it.
So, what I'm after is a rip that will be used for fine art printing, can handle 3rd party media, works with a Hexachrome ink set, and will allow me to Linearize in the rip, the print my characterization patches through Monaco, and create the profile in Monaco. Obviously, the rip would also have to accept profiles created in Monaco.
I use a DTP41UV to read my patches with.
From what I've seen and heard, it seems that this Hexachrome profiling and printing is a quirky endeavor, with varying methods of how the rips actually handle the extra colors. There aren't even any classes offered that I know of on how to properly do it. I just want a rip that'll give me the best product for a reasonable cost. Otherwise, I just hold my breath in hopes that Scanvec does come up with a fix.


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