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Re: On ProPhotoRGB


  • Subject: Re: On ProPhotoRGB
  • From: bruce fraser <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:34:04 -0800

Don RGB and ECI RGB are good for film scans, but digital captures routinely contain colors (bright yellows and oranges, dark greens and browns are the main culprits) that are clipped by either space.

2D plots of 3D spaces always require careful interpretation. With a huge space like ProPhoto, plotting the extremes in Lab or Luv can be quite misleading for several reasons.

You certainly aren't going to capture these colors, and while it's possible to drive 'color' there artificially, it's not really something anyone in their right mind would come close to doing.

When Lab and Luv were developed, the available gamuts were quite small, and Lab and Luv behave well in terms of both perceptual uniformity and having straight lines represent constant hues. When you extend the gamut, the spaces break on both counts. When you extend the gamut to the imaginary primaries used by ProPhoto, you're trying to plot things in Lab and Luv that are outside the models, so you get nonsensical answers.

The weirdnesses Marco has posted are as much about the limitations of Lab and Luv as they are about any actual issues with ProPhoto. In my experience (I've been using ProPhoto since it was ROMM RGB, so about 7 years now), they don't represent a problem in the normal practice of reproducing images.

I have a growing library of digital captures that really suffer when they're converted into smaller spaces than ProPhoto because gradations of saturated color get clipped to blobs, and once they're blobs it's very difficult to map them in an acceptable manner into an output space. It's not about trying to maintain colors I can't possibly reproduce-it's about maintaining the distinctions between those colors, so that I can map them into output space as gradations rather than as big blobs of solid color....

Bruce

At 11:17 PM +0100 2/26/06, Karsten Krüger wrote:
Hi Marco,

Nice job :-)

Did you do the same with ECIrgb and LStar-RGB ? Both are recomended workingspaces for digital photography when targetting print. They are supposed to match ISO cmyk gammut without too much loss. They both have the same primaries and gammut, but differ internally. ECIrgb is has a gamma of 1.8 while LStar-RGB is linear to L*-axis. What is your opinion on them ?

www.eci.org
www.lstar-rgb.com

Thanks,
Karsten


Am 26.02.2006 um 05:10 schrieb Marco Ugolini:

Hi to all.

While viewing ProPhotoRGB with the ColorThink grapher, I noticed something
that has not yet been discussed in this forum, to my knowledge.

Please go to my web page to view a few images first, before I go on:

<http://home.mindspring.com/~marcoug>
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