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Luminance nomenclature, STILL wanting to see constant L*
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Luminance nomenclature, STILL wanting to see constant L*


  • Subject: Luminance nomenclature, STILL wanting to see constant L*
  • From: John <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:37:23 -0800

Thank you for the reply,

"Luminance" apparently means different things in different contexts. In a really great technical book, "A Field Guide to Digital Color" (2004, pg 245), Maureen Stone says:

"In many graphics texts and tutorials, an equation derived from the NTSC definition of luma (the Y of IYQ), is routinely recommended to compute luminance for any arbitrary RGB triples. This is wrong. Not only is this based on an obsolete set of phosphors, it confuses the non-linear luma with luminance. (See chapter 6)."

In chapter 6, among other things, Maureen says:
It is important to understand that the brightness channel, Y in a non- linear difference encoding is +not luminance+, even though the notation is the same. It is luma, which is computed from non-linear R, G, and B values. Some references, especially in computer graphics, suggest using the luma equations from video encodings to compute "luminance." While this generates a plausible grayscale image, true luminance can only be computed from linear values of RGB of known chromaticity."


Maureen goes on record saying that true luminance, based on the physiological luminance efficiency curve, is precisely the L* of CIELAB, and in the context of RGB, can only be computed from linear values of RGB of known chromaticity.

Bruce Lindbloom's site (mentioned below), uses the word "luminance" for Y (luma). His calculators work fine, as long as that nomenclature is accounted for.

Regards,
John Sabin
P.S.
I STILL have not found a way to show all iMac-calibrated-display- gamut colors of a given luminance (L*). Thanks to a hint from Bruce Fraser, Photoshop color-picker ALMOST does it in LAB mode, by choosing my calibrated monitor profile in photoshop "View->Proof Setup", and then turning on Gamut warning in the color-picker with "View->Gamut Warning". ALMOST, but instead of constraining the LAB colors to those of my display gamut, the color-picker resets my Proof Setup to "Working CMYK" (as can be seen in the "View->Proof Setup"), so I'm still missing all those colors my monitor CAN show.


On Oct 31, 2006, at 8:09 PM, tom lianza wrote:

John,

You seem to be confusing the meaning of L* and luminance. They are related, but certainly not equivalent. For instance an L* of 48 would correspond to a white normalized L of about 16.8 in a linear system scaled 0 to 100. The example that you gave indicates that the the Digital Color Meter is returning the value for a gamut mapped color. The display probably cannot display a=127, b=-127 that you asked for so it has to be mapped into a displayable color . It's clear that there are a number of color management steps that are going on here.
With regard to your goal, there is a solution, but it involves a number of numerical translation. Basically you need to map LAB->XYZ- >RGB. Take a look a bruce lindblooms site: http:// www.brucelindbloom.com That would be a good place for you to play...


Tom Lianza
Video and Motion Picture Technology
X-rite corporation.

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