Hello, everyone,
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Fiery
server, he has generated a CMYK profile on this printer by ES-1000
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eye-one) with ProfileMaker 5.05, however, we found its black
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curve?
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1. Re: Mac Book Pro display (Nov06)
2. Re: UV Filter - DTP70/Spectrocam (David Scharf)
3. Re: Mac Book Pro display (Derek Lambert)
4. New line of Epson inkjets (Marco Ugolini)
5. Re: DTP70 - 2 step or not 2 step? (Scott Martin)
6. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (sfprintservices)
7. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Scott Martin)
8. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Dana Rasmussen)
9. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Scott Martin)
10. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Gary Scott)
11. Re: UV Filter - DTP70 (Graeme Gill)
12. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (email@hidden)
13. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Graeme Gill)
14. Microsoft photo format almost a standard?
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15. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Andrew Rodney)
16. Re: New line of Epson inkjets (Scott Martin)
17. Re: Creating an ICC profile from a Pulse Spectrophotometer
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18. Re: Akua Sweets (Fleisher, Ken)
19. Re: Akua Sweets (Fleisher, Ken)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:18:02 +0200
From: Nov06 <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mac Book Pro display
To: ColorSync Users Mailing List <email@hidden>
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This is only very indirectly answering the question of matte vs.
glossy, but here is a comprehensive review of the MacBook Pro from a
photographers perspective:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8741-9027
On 01.08.2007, at 01:42, Matt Beals wrote:
No, no, no... It wouldn't be for color critical work. Just "if I
have to
pick one, which one is less bad?". I'd like to have "reasonably
accurate"
but I don't do color correction professionally. I do adjust
pictures I take
with my Sony DSC-W7 but again it's nothing critical. The most I
would be
doing is cast removal. I don't even do much in the way of soft
proofing or
PDF proofing on screen.
I guess that the consensus is the matte display.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:07:18 -0700
From: David Scharf <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: UV Filter - DTP70/Spectrocam
To: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync <email@hidden>
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Yeah Roger,
I have a SpectroCam too. Found it it to be real good instrument.
Still
using it with ProfilerPro. Do any of the newer, perhaps better,
profiling programs still support the SpectroCam?
Regards,
David
*DAVID SCHARF PHOTOGRAPHY*
Scanning Electron Microscopy
Los Angeles, CA 90039
http://www.scharfphoto.com
http://www.electronmicro.com
Roger Breton wrote:
Doesn't anyone use pulsed xenon light sources any more? Seems
like a
wide bandwidth source like that would be best. No?
David Scharf
I still have my faithful SpectroCam which has a Xenon light
source. But I
confess I don't give it the mileage it deserves :(
Roger Breton
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:36:59 -0400
From: Derek Lambert <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Mac Book Pro display
To: ColorSync <email@hidden>
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Matt,
I used to have matte 15" powerbook before. I sold it.
I was comparing both new MBP in Apple store and I liked glossy. I
bought MacBookPro glossy for myself. My wife has matte MacBook. I
think it glossy is a little sharper and it has more contrast. I don't
use it for critical color.
Derek Lambert
On Jul 31, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Matt Beals wrote:
When looking at color on a MacBook Pro which is "better", "lesser
of two
evils",etc, the matte display or the glossy display?
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:40:32 -0700
From: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>
Subject: New line of Epson inkjets
To: ColorSync Users Mailing List <email@hidden>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
To the List:
Epson has announced a new line of UltraChrome printers, to be
introduced on
the market this coming October:
MacWorld article:
<http://tinyurl.com/2fmn9v>
Press release:
<http://tinyurl.com/2szzbp>
(NOTE: I believe that the prices written in the press release are
given in
Australian dollars, so they should be multiplied by 0.834 to give an
approximate equivalent in U.S. dollars)
Among the innovations, those that stand out for me are that they
use a
reformulated set of K3 inks (Magenta is replaced with "Vivid
Magenta", and
"Light Magenta" with "Vivid Light Magenta"), which supposedly
expands the
output gamut. Plus, they are claimed to have a new nozzle coating
system
that prevents clogging.
We'll see.
Marco Ugolini
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:27:31 -0500
From: Scott Martin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: DTP70 - 2 step or not 2 step?
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On Jul 31, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Steve Upton wrote:
BTW, I hate to call it linearization since it doesn't directly
linearize the printer prior to profiling. I like "device
customized
profile target generation" but I'm open to other, shorter ideas...
Isn't the process properly called "pre-linearization"?
actually I prefer to call it adaptive targeting.
I like that! But what you are talking about is slightly different.
Just like generic targets, Bill's 9600 adapted targets end up getting
used for all kind of devices, not just 9600s. Adapting the target for
each device at the time of profiling with a 2 step process is key.
Nonetheless, I like your "adaptive targeting" termonology.
Scott Martin
www.on-sight.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:33:14 -0700
From: sfprintservices <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>, ColorSync
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List <email@hidden>
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HPZ3xxx line has already covered the wider gamut issue
HPZ3xxx line has already covered the nozzle clogging issue
Epson may be a dollar short and a day late.
Can you say InDesign vs. Quark?
Thanks,
Gary Scott
Landor Associates
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From: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:40:32 -0700
To: ColorSync Users Mailing List <email@hidden>
Conversation: New line of Epson inkjets
Subject: New line of Epson inkjets
To the List:
Epson has announced a new line of UltraChrome printers, to be
introduced
on
the market this coming October:
MacWorld article:
<http://tinyurl.com/2fmn9v>
Press release:
<http://tinyurl.com/2szzbp>
(NOTE: I believe that the prices written in the press release are
given
in
Australian dollars, so they should be multiplied by 0.834 to give an
approximate equivalent in U.S. dollars)
Among the innovations, those that stand out for me are that they
use a
reformulated set of K3 inks (Magenta is replaced with "Vivid
Magenta",
and
"Light Magenta" with "Vivid Light Magenta"), which supposedly
expands the
output gamut. Plus, they are claimed to have a new nozzle coating
system
that prevents clogging.
We'll see.
Marco Ugolini
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:43:16 -0500
From: Scott Martin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: sfprintservices <email@hidden>,
ColorSync Users
Mailing List <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII;
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HPZ3xxx line has already covered the wider gamut issue
HPZ3xxx line has already covered the nozzle clogging issue
Let's not forget Canon has a wider gamut (with PS plug-in) and faster
speeds than HP and Epson.
Epson may be a dollar short and a day late.
Yep but they have brand loyalty, low entry prices and fairly low per
milliliter ink costs. Epson lower manufacturing costs with 8 instead
of 12 heads is smart. Black ink switching is really frustrating
though.
Scott Martin
www.on-sight.com
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:57:02 -0700
From: Dana Rasmussen <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: Colorsync <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <C2D560AE.4120A%email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Yep but they have brand loyalty, low entry prices and fairly low per
milliliter ink costs. Epson lower manufacturing costs with 8 instead
of 12 heads is smart. Black ink switching is really frustrating
though.
Scott Martin
www.on-sight.com
There are signs of things to come, too.
The 64" printer has a 9 port head.
Dana Rasmussen
Glazer¹s Camera
430 8th Ave. N
Seattle, WA 98109
206-624-1100 x1027
Fax 206-624-8065
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:06:22 -0500
From: Scott Martin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: Dana Rasmussen <email@hidden>, Colorsync
<email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
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There are signs of things to come, too.
The 64" printer has a 9 port head.
Right! And twice and many nozzles per head for faster printing.
Better paper handling would be nice and about time. I think one of
the unanswered questions is if Epson will release the vivid magenta
inks for the previous K3 ink printers (they talked about this as an
option a while back). I'm guessing they won't.
Scott Martin
www.on-sight.com
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:15:02 -0700
From: Gary Scott <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: Colorsync <email@hidden>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Not according to this article:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-
facelift.shtml
³And, to the inevitable question from current "00" series printer
owners,
the answer is no the new inks will not work in the old printers. The
previous design heads won't handle them, and therefore they are keyed
differently.²
On 7/31/07 10:06 PM, "Scott Martin" <email@hidden> wrote:
There are signs of things to come, too.
The 64" printer has a 9 port head.
Right! And twice and many nozzles per head for faster printing.
Better paper handling would be nice and about time. I think one of
the unanswered questions is if Epson will release the vivid magenta
inks for the previous K3 ink printers (they talked about this as an
option a while back). I'm guessing they won't.
Scott Martin
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:13:21 +1000
From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: UV Filter - DTP70
To: ColorSync <email@hidden>
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Marco Ugolini wrote:
In my own opinion, Graeme, there is a user side and a technology /
manufacturer's side to the tools we use in our work. My natural
inclination
is to side with the user, because I'm one too.
And I think that's exactly what I'm doing here, siding with the user.
The user shouldn't have to understand the mechanism used (filters
and all that stuff), they should be able to directly request
what they want, a reading that includes UV illumination, or
one that does not.
I think the issue driving this discussion is that traditionally
the user was intimately involved in the means of doing this
(ie. fitting or removing a UV filter from an instrument),
so this is the dominant mindset of those with a long involvement
in this stuff. Someone approaching instruments that
conceal the mechanism (a switch or UV LED) for the first time will
probably find this talk of filters, indirect and confusing.
There are many levels of use for these measuring instruments. Some
people
may view the use of anything other than the strictly and
terminologically
correct nomenclature on the instrument as a step down a slippery
slope.
But
if all that the user *needs* to know is that the measurement has
to be
made
with the UV filter on, is it really necessary to force the user
instead
to
perform mental acrobatics for the sake of preserving "good U/I
design"?
If
it's not good for the user, whom is good for?
But you are expecting the user to be an "expert" in the operational
mechanism of the instrument (fitting filters), exactly what you
have just been arguing against ! :-) :-)
Graeme Gill.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:31:41 -0400
From: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: sfprintservices <email@hidden>
Cc: ColorSync Users Mailing List <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
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1) I think that Epson's pricing structure is unrealistic if the
Austrailian dollar conversion is $10895 to US $9335 for the 9880.
2) That price does not include any color calibration hardware or
software, which makes the price of admission hugely over inflated,
relative to the z3100 44".
3) The Epson waste bottle issue is likely still present -
contributing to ongoing high consumables costs.
4) No mention of whether it can print full page bleed images (as the
z3100 does)
Even if they release the x880 on time, Epson simply is not bringing
the right mix to the table.
- Jon
On Aug 1, 2007, at 12:33 AM, sfprintservices wrote:
Epson may be a dollar short and a day late.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:25:18 +1000
From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: ColorSync <email@hidden>
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email@hidden wrote:
1) I think that Epson's pricing structure is unrealistic if the
Austrailian dollar conversion is $10895 to US $9335 for the 9880.
I think like many companies, Epson (and/or its dealers) whack a fair
margin on "non core" country sales prices (Adobe in Europe anyone ?).
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the US price was more
like US$7K.
Graeme Gill.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:17:41 -0500
From: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>
Subject: Microsoft photo format almost a standard?
To: ColorSync Users' List <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
Anybody got any comments about "JPEG XR"? Is the article overselling
the position?
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/cnet/2007-07-31-microsoft-hd-
photo_N.htm?csp=34
Rich Apollo
G7 Certified Expert
Adobe Certified Expert, Photoshop
314-344-1144
email@hidden
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:32:46 -0600
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: Scott Martin <email@hidden>, sfprintservices
<email@hidden>,
"email@hidden"
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On 7/31/07 10:43 PM, "Scott Martin" wrote:
Let's not forget Canon has a wider gamut (with PS plug-in) and
faster
speeds than HP and Epson.
You mean the plug-in that's still not Intel Native and I can't use in
Lightroom?
Andrew Rodney
http://www.digitaldog.net/
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:02:35 -0500
From: Scott Martin <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: New line of Epson inkjets
To: "email@hidden"
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On Aug 1, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Andrew Rodney wrote:
Let's not forget Canon has a wider gamut (with PS plug-in) and
faster
speeds than HP and Epson.
You mean the plug-in that's still not Intel Native and I can't
use in
Lightroom?
Yep! I'm told the Intel native should be out any day now but you are
right: the fact that they have the best gamut with the plug-in
contrasts with the fact you can only get that quality from one
application. So this printer may appeal to fine art printmakers
printing out of photoshop but not to designers wanting spot color
simulation from InDesign, Illustrator, etc. Each solution from HP,
Canon and Epson has their own advantages and disadvantages. I think
Canon's gamut, speed and cost superiority is getting overlooked right
now, so that's why I mentioned it.
Scott Martin
www.on-sight.com
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:14:44 -0500
From: G Mike Adams <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Creating an ICC profile from a Pulse Spectrophotometer
To: Michael Tiktinsky <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
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Hello:
I have a Mac (Intel based).
I have a Pulse spectrophotometer (DTP20UV).
I have an Epson 4000 printer.
I have downloaded 1728 targets from Bill Atkinson's website.
X-rite has a special program, ColorPort that will read the data
from the 1728 targets using the Pulse and save it to a file in one
of a number of formats.
Unfortunately, Xrite wants between $2500 and $4000 for software
that will convert that output file to an ICC profile. Do any of
you have any suggestions that do not require spending a small
fortune to be able to use targets other than x-rites and create icc
profiles from them? Thanks for any help you can provide.
You can use Argyll.
http://argyllcms.com/
It's command-line, and so you have to learn a little Unix to make it
work. But work it does.
Regards,
Mike Adams
http://correctcolor.org
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:24:20 -0400
From: "Fleisher, Ken" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Akua Sweets
To: colorsync user <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <C2D601C4.2F52%email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Thanks for the reply. I don't have an Intel Mac, so as long as it
will run
correctly for now, I'm happy. Thanks for the confirmation.
On 8/1/07 9:20 AM, "Helmut Fuchs" <email@hidden> wrote:
Hello Ken,
well, AFAIK version 1.43 is the latest version. But it is from 2001,
so it is more than a little dated. More important is, that 2001 no
one had an idea of Universal Binaries, so this OSAX won't work on
Intel Macs.
So I guess, it would be better to look for another tool to do the
job
you intended it for.
--
Ken Fleisher
Photographer
Imaging & Visual Services
National Gallery of Art
Washington, D.C.
Phone: (202) 712-7471
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:25:59 -0400
From: "Fleisher, Ken" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Akua Sweets
To: colorsync user <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <C2D60227.2F56%email@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Sorry, wrong list by mistake!
On 8/1/07 9:24 AM, "Fleisher, Ken" <email@hidden> wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I don't have an Intel Mac, so as long as it
will
run
correctly for now, I'm happy. Thanks for the confirmation.
On 8/1/07 9:20 AM, "Helmut Fuchs" <email@hidden> wrote:
Hello Ken,
well, AFAIK version 1.43 is the latest version. But it is from
2001,
so it is more than a little dated. More important is, that 2001 no
one had an idea of Universal Binaries, so this OSAX won't work on
Intel Macs.
So I guess, it would be better to look for another tool to do the
job
you intended it for.
--
Ken Fleisher
Photographer
Imaging & Visual Services
National Gallery of Art
Washington, D.C.
Phone: (202) 712-7471
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