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Re: Who Does the Separations
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Re: Who Does the Separations


  • Subject: Re: Who Does the Separations
  • From: Klaus Karcher <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:45:05 +0100

Hi Karl,

Who would be familiar with all flavours of CMYK (newsprint, gravure, flexo ...)?

I think colormanagement can supersede to be familiar with a brunch of CMYK figures for every print condition, but it's still important to know some of the principles of ink dots on paper, to understand the basics of the print technology you use (particularly important for flexo, gravure and screen) and to have the knowledge or experiance of what can go wrong to make *good* separations.


[...] the separation (or color transform) into a printing space (be it CMYK or RGB) should always be done as the last step.

Acknowledged. CMYK is a evil space for editing, retouching or composing. It's much easier to work with 3 channels (RGB or Lab) and to "think" in a perceptional colorspace (LCh, HSB). One can mess up a *lot* in CMYK.


Worse luck one can't see a mixed up black generation on a digital proof -- it always emulates the "perfect" print, not a *real* one. CMYK 17/12/11/1 and 20%K looks exactly the same on a ISO coated proof, but ask a printer to match it and he will kill you. Not even 400% ink does look worse than 250 on a digital proof for newspaper or LWC.

Otherwise you end up converting from one CMYK to another and a third ..., losing quality along the way in each one of the conversions.

That's yet another reason why CMYK can be evil.

CYMK values are unsuitable to describe COLOR, CMYK just describes percentages of ink on paper (or film, or plates), without saying, what the ink looks like.

With a good printing profile, that matches the printing conditions, everybody can perform a perfect separation.

No. IMO That's "rocket science" again. Try it with the sunnyside up on white background with -- let's say ISO Newspaper or ISO uncoated. Try it with a deep blue undersea photo and -- let's say three profiles of different vendors based on the same characterization data. Good luck ;-)


That means, the separation needs to be done, when the printing conditions are known, i.e. at the printers.


But what if the photographer or client wants to determine the way of gamut mapping (or at least the hue of delicate shades of blue) and doesn't know if the printer favors Profilemaker, Heidelberg or BasiCColor, perceptual or relative, ... ?


Klaus
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 >Re: Who Does the Separations (From: "Robert J. Hennessey" <email@hidden>)
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