Re: Apple/Adobe Imaging, DAM and Workflow
Re: Apple/Adobe Imaging, DAM and Workflow
- Subject: Re: Apple/Adobe Imaging, DAM and Workflow
- From: Martin Orpen <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:32:30 +0100
I'd never normally consider top-posting, but I'll make an exception
here because you've made a fundamental error:
Jeff, I am NOT a photographer.
You should have done some more research before selecting your
favourite axe and then grinding it for me. Re-read your post and see
how ridiculous it sounds as you tilt at windmills.
The "full disclosure" paragraph was a nice touch but it isn't going
to protect you from criticism. I'm not much interested in the views
of professional boosters of Adobe like you and Andrew Rodney. If
Adobe want to discuss issues here then they are free to do so.
I'd rather hear from them directly instead of getting half the story
from their anointed proxies.
And I've got sneaky suspicion that there are plenty of others here
who are sick of being spoon-fed PR and partisan views by
"professionals" who stand to gain from it...
[And, Jeff, if I'm going to have my head up an arse I'd rather it
were my own than some Adobe executive's]
PS. We can discuss the RF issue at length, but that is probably best
saved for another forum. You're most welcome to argue your case at
pro-imaging.org:
<http://www.pro-imaging.org/>
I believe that it is now the ONLY organisation left in the world that
maintains an anti-RF policy and refuses to allow RF shooters to join.
Proving that not all photographers are total sell-outs and that you
really need to reassess the size of my balls :-)
--
Martin Orpen
Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
On 17 Jul 2007, at 01:52, Jeff Schewe wrote:
On 7/16/07 Martin Orpen wrote:
1. Adobe act as middle-men in the sale of RF imagery which is
damaging to the incomes of photographers
Horsemanure...I would welcome any proof that ANYTHING Adobe has
done has had
a negative impact on any photographer's income. If this is the
reason for
Mr. Orpen 's dislike of Adobe, he has his head up a real dark place...
See, he's perfectly willing and inclined to blame Adobe for the
ills of the
photographic industry but either unwilling or unable to acknowledge
that the
ills of the photographic industry are caused by other
photographers, not the
purveyors of RF stock. Cause neither the RF stock agents nor
"middle-men"
are producers of RF stock photography, photographers are...and
rather than
having the balls to go after those people, he blames Adobe as the
big bad
corporation.
That dog don't hunt bud...yes, RF is having a real negative impact
on the
income of assignment and RM photographers, that don't do RF. But it's
neither the fault of the stock industry nor Adobe that has brought
this
about. It's other photographers. And until the photographic
industry comes
to grips with the reality that photographers are ruining the
photographic
industry, nothing will change for the better.
See, that's where this guy is so misguided...he sees the "enemy" as
being
Adobe or the RF stock dealers...and they aren't. The enemy of
photographers
are themselves.
Adobe has bent over backwards to try to address the displeasure of
photographers-out of all proportion of the market they represent to
Adobe.
But that ain't good enough for Martin.
Course, Martin never mentions what he wants from Adobe...he just
slams them
at every opportunity-even if the opportunity is misplaced and
misaimed. It
would never occur to him just how foolish he comes off being by
being as
obstreperous as he is. He actually thinks he doing some good.
What he doesn't realize is his histrionics only allows cover for
the real
problem...
But the RF toothpaste is out of the tube...and it was pushed out by
greedy
(and generally less talented) photographers years ago.
Ironically, when I first got into the business, the assignment
photographers
were pissin&moaning™ that STOCK PHOTOGRAPPERS were ruining the
assignment
business (they still are).
Martin is a bitter photographer (as can be seen in the manner of
his posts)
that sees enemies everywhere but in the mirror.
Thanks goodness he's so over the top and ungracious that the vast
majority
will ignore him.
As for the photo industry? Screwem...photographers have steadfastly
refused
to ever do the right thing for the industry and have historically
always
only done what's best for themselves as individuals. Photographers
COULD
organize into a much more powerful organization that could have a
positive
impact on the industry, but they can't see the forest for the trees...
You go right ahead and blame Adobe for the ills of the industry
doode...that
way the real bad guys will continue to get away with it.
And, for full disclosure, I happen to like what Adobe has done for
a variety
of industries-including the photographic industry (which they
didn't have to
do). I happen to think efforts such as XMP, DNG and their continued
support
of open standards makes them above average corporate citizens. And
yes, I
have a lot of friends at Adobe and yes, I derive some income from
things
relating to Adobe. I even have some Adobe stock (so when their
share price
goes up, it's good for me). So? Wanna make something of it Martin?
I've also spent the better part of my photographic career fighting
on behalf
of photographer's rights...fortunately, I've come to my senses of
late and
have decided to give that stuff up for my health (like I did smoking)
:~)
Regards,
Jeff Schewe
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