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Re: Ooops - D65 != D65 ???
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Re: Ooops - D65 != D65 ???


  • Subject: Re: Ooops - D65 != D65 ???
  • From: Uli Zappe <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:05:40 +0200

Am 20.06.2007 um 19:50 schrieb Andrew Rodney:

On 6/20/07 10:37 AM, "Robin Myers"  wrote:

Since the instruments are agreeing with each other with respect to
the native white point measurement, other places to look for the
error in your D65 settings are in the various software packages

I suspect that's the big black hole here. The practice of color management
would indeed be interesting if the same values measured produced the same
results in a final profile (or when ink hits the paper). Doesn't seem close
to being that perfect world.

Yep, that's really my impression, too.

To make the implicit question pointed:

It's easy to agree that color management should be used in the sense that ICC profiles should be used; but if there's such a variance between the profiles generated by partly really expensive devices, why not simply stick to the factory profiles that hardly would be of bigger variance and deviation from the ideal? (I'm aware that profiling is much more than setting the whitepoint; I just want to make the point clear with this example.)

Asking myself this question, I thought it could be interesting to compare the profiles I created to Apple's default profile for my display, and for profiles that can be derived from that with visual tools like Apple's Calibration Assistant.

In this context, I also found that Apple lists the native whitepoint and gamma of my Cinema display in the Calibration assistant. Since theses can't be values that Calibration Assistant actually measures (it doesn't measure anything), I assume these are theoretical values from Apple's database for my type of display. This, of course, makes it interesting to compare these theoretical values with what my measurements with Spyder revealed.


Display data according to Apple's Calibration Assistant (not measured data):


native white point:        0.313   0.331     6420 K

Data measured with Spyder (copied from earlier mail):

uncalibrated:              0.311   0.338
Eye-One Display native:    0.309   0.337
Eye-One Pro native:        0.310   0.337
Spyder2Pro native:         0.310   0.337

So the x value seems to be close to the theoretical value, the y value a bit more off from the theoretical value - whatever the relevance of this. Higher y value means a greenish shade, and my Cinema Display actually looks quite greenish when used with a native whitepoint, so the Spyder might be more correct than Apple's factory data.

But anyway, here are the new profiles, as measured by Spyder:

Apple factory profile:     0.308   0.335
Calibration Assistant D65: 0.308   0.333

So if you include both these profiles into Robin's comparison, you get:

                        x       y       dx      dy
D65 Target		0.313	0.329
i1 Display		0.315	0.341	+0.002	+0.012
i1 Pro			0.314	0.333	+0.001	+0.004
Huey			0.307	0.328	-0.006	-0.001
Spyder2Pro		0.313	0.325	0.000	-0.004
Apple factory profile   0.308   0.335   -0.005  +0.006
Calibration Assistant   0.308   0.333   -0.005  +0.004

So if you create a ranking list by adding the absolute values of dx and dy, you get:

1. Spyder2Pro             (0.004)
2. i1 Pro                 (0.005)
3. huey                   (0.007)
4. Calibration Assistant  (0.009)
5. Apple factory profile  (0.011)
6. i1 Display             (0.014)

(but note that measurements were made with the Spyder, so the first place for the Spyder itself seems logical and isn't "objective")

So at least, this tentative experiment would still argue that profiles created by measurement devices are mostly better than other profiles. :-) (Don't take this too serious, please - it's not a scientific result, rather an encouragement that dealing with color management devices might make sense, after all ;-) )

            Bye
                    Uli
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