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Designers, Color Management, and Xrite , some thoughts and comments.
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Designers, Color Management, and Xrite , some thoughts and comments.


  • Subject: Designers, Color Management, and Xrite , some thoughts and comments.
  • From: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:30:36 -0400

Hi to this group,

First, Let me say I will miss Marc Levine. He understood the issues and he tried hard to point a way to solutions. He will be missed by all of us here.

Now on to the subject of color management and some of the issues Andrew Rodney brought up.

For those of you that own a few macs with a couple of printers, I'd like to ask you all, how's that working out for you? How about a single mac with two printers? How about a Mac with OsX 10.4 sharing a printer with a Mac with OSX 10.5.? If you can't take the same image on two computers and print to the same printer and get the same output (assuming you get any output at all) how can you even start to consider color management as a viable technology? Microsoft Vista simply solved the problem by forcing you to go get new printers and then basically ignored color management entirely, but atleast the images all looked the same when printed from different computers...

Now go out and buy Adobe CS3 Suite Dejour...and Light room . Print an image from light room and save it as a tif file. Bring the tif file into Photoshop and then print it. Bring the image into Illustrator and try printing it. Assuming that you were even able to get a print from each of the applications, you will see real differences. Here is the company that, in my opinion, saved color management with Photoshop 6 and 7. I'm not being sarcstic, here, Adobe made printing using color management a reality, IN ONE APPLICATION. From what I see as a consumer who understands a bit about color management, they have successfully undermined their own execellence and product interoperablity, by not having a common print architecture between applications.

So we see two distinct issues here:

1. The interface between the OS, color management, and the printer is broken (this again assumes that you can even print, meaning tht the interface between the printer and the OS is broken)
2. Within a single suite of applications from a single dominant, and excellent, vendor, the print workflow is different.


Andrew, if our software is brain dead, it is because the patient's heart has stopped pumping. Either of the two issues I mentioned above make it difficult to provide a meaningful solution to the consumer. When combined, the two issues represent an absolute dead end as far as success is concerned. As you said, we can generate great profiles, the real problem is what does anyone do with them?

As a member of the ICC, I have brought this point up and asked that we get the print vendors together with the OS vendors and try to come to some recommendations in this area. I believe it is on the agenda for the Tokyo meeting in June, but I do not hold out much hope for change. From the standpoint of useful color management, the incompetence has reached a nadir. The ICC has provided a working framework and it has not been implemented in any meaningful way for the consumer. Technologies such as PDF/X provides a glimmer of hope for the professional, but for the consumer and pro photographer, it is not a good time to be involved in color. Just ask Marc Levine.....

Regards to all
Tom Lianza


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