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  • Subject: Re: maclife.de
  • From: Uli Zappe <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:53:29 +0200

Hi Eldon,

thanks a lot for your interesting comments!

Am 15.08.2008 um 22:53 schrieb Eldon:

The inCamera plug-in from Pictocolor gave me a profile with the lowest average and max deltaE of any of the packages I tried,

Interesting.

but I was disappointed in the smoothness of the profile, which was evident after assigning it to a Granger rainbow and also in a number of real-world images.

Yes, this seem to be a general trade-off I also experienced with printer profiling.


The logic behind this seem to be that if you do rigorous curve- fitting, you'll get very good delta E values, but on the other hand, since you have only so many discrete steps in your LUT, end up with some unevenness in the color areas between the color patches you fitted the curve to.

Of course, this is especially pronounced if you test against the target you build the profile with, because basically, if only you get these 288 colors correct, you'll already get very good delta E values, and still it says (theoretically) nothing about the remaining almost 16.7 million colors ...

Overall, I was most pleased with the scanner profiles from Monaco EZcolor and Argyll, with an edge to EZcolor. Both had a respectable deltaE and were commendably smooth.

Interesting you say this. MonacoProfiler/EZColor (which deliver identical results for all practical purposes, as do ProfileMaker/ i1Match) do indeed sport a visual characteristic similar to that of Argyll (as far as I could tell in what little time I had for the visual evaluation of Argyll profiles).


I take it from your list that you did not evaluate one of the Logo apps (ProfileMaker/i1Match)? I ask because metrologically, the Monaco apps were even closer to the Logo apps than the 1 point score difference (4.5 - 3.5) suggests. In fact, the original calculation would have resulted in 4.0 for the Monaco apps. However, the perceptual rendering intent of the Monaco profiles (which was not used for the metrological evaluation) expanded the luminosity range so much that the images always looked a bit "too saturated" in comparison with the Logo profiles and more importantly, tended to clip relatively often, again in contrast to the Logo profiles - Logo seems to take a more conservative approach when expanding luminosity in the perceptual intent.

Since this effect was clearly visible in all test scans, I tried to take that into account by detracting 0.5 points from the Monaco score, thus resulting in 3.5.

Now, all I just wrote about Monaco seemed to be true for Argyll, as well (but again, I had very little time for visual evaluation). This means I also got 4.0 points for Argyll originally, and deducted 0.5 points to make the results comparable.

Just FYI, SilverFast, OTOH, does not expand luminosity at all in the perceptual intent (in fact, there simply is no different perceptual intent in these profiles), making the images always look dim, but they never clip. So SilverFast was also deducted 0.5 points for the opposite reason, or else it would have been on par with the Logo profiles. The Logo profiles seem to hit the sweet spot in between.

The delta E values of the Monaco profiles and Argyll are certainly not bad, it's just that the Logo profiles are better.

Incidentally, after searching the web and fooling around a bit, I figured out how to convert a standard IT8 reference text file to the .mrf format that EZcolor requires for flatbed scanning and printer profiling. It turns out that .mrf files are just gzip archives. Here are the steps I took:

Most interesting, thanks a lot! I googled for that as well, but was less successful than you were.


            Bye
                    Uli
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