Re: CM rant
Re: CM rant
- Subject: Re: CM rant
- From: mo <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:44:00 -0700
Hello David -
I'm not sure what you mean. Open loop and closed loop.
What I'm referring to is what happens between individuals controlling
color vs. trying to control color from multiple sourceless unknown
origins. In other words Mystery Meat.
I was trained in "device independent color management? Several
courses, including at Ivey Seright, Seattle. Instructor eventually
went to Adobe.
That's great to hear that your instructor went to Adobe. It's a very
difficult job to take on such a feat of political, environmental as
well as mathematical headaches.
What I did learn, trial and error, is not all software and hardware
give the same results. No standard.
That is part of the problem. I have created profiles for the same
device with different targets that were "physically different" in
color swatch organization. Very frustrating and lots of tail chasing
to be honest. Been there done that. What I'm more concerned with is
the ability to have some sort of assurance of what color space the
capture or working space lives in or came from or some color space of
known origin regardless. Now we deal with blind assign for untagged
files and that just propagates crap. As one VERY small example of the
mess. It's part of Dan's turd polishing frustrations because this is
what he has to work with once the majority of files are released to
printers and the like = like him - and we guess that none the same.
But my concern goes way beyond commercial printers and their
eccentric behaviors. This is more about image control or process
control at the file stage and not just dealing with input/output
devices and control said devices with color management. It's about a
default color space for a working space that can accommodate at least
10 years or more of standards. That space is best described as
ProPhoto RGB 16 or L* RGB 16 color space. It's much wider then Adobe
RGB and can capture most if not all RGB ink jet printers color space
(s). It's also better described in gamma properties then Adobe RGB.
This would facilitate growth in a working space yet provide an
excellent color space container from = RAW or ACR or LR and will
also be an excellent description for cross renderings to a common
CMYK color space to compress or clip to. It's a win win situation for
all graphical requirements and provides a road map for back tracking
capture to output. What boggles my mind with Adobe products is that
EVERYONE is going to capture and print, but they just ignore the
relationships between the two and leave it up to the stupid user to
figure out. To me a process control system is a DAMN no brainer to
be quite frank and wonder why no one has implemented it as of yet.
Yes, there are some variables, but that is handled by a color tweener
for color matching from working space to "final" output. Otherwise
we get a generic destination color space = just like we are getting
now, but the source space is known - Unlike now.
In other words, we live in a mess where as we can't control the image
and we can't really control the output, but we try. If we can
control the image better, we can eliminate more variables as to what
is the problem with our color workflow system and point our efforts
more toward the output and not ponder what happened up stream. ie.
quicker evaluation and less user intervention. It's such a simple
stupid solution that it hurts me to continue to beat this into Adobe
at this point. Maybe they are beyond logic with their master plan of
screwing themselves into perpetual individualism with no reference to
guide by.
I eventually settled on i1 Pro with i1 Match.... I did try color
eyes pro with my i1 Pro. Still not same monitor results from one
software to the other. So.....i1 Match.
The i1 pro works fairly well, but considering the current development
of LCD and Diode based monitors - it's the luck of the draw to get
repeatable consistent color with fidelity detail without emptying
your pockets for a window into quality. IT's sad actually where we
stand as far as color evaluation on flat screens, but it's getting
better, but just not fast enough to clip pace with the demise of a CRT.
Be well Dave.
mo
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