Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experience
Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experience
- Subject: Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experience
- From: "Mark Segal" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:39:11 -0400
Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experienceI don't need to try a B&W - I've seen that too. But we're talking colour management (OK, B&W are colours!)
I've also seen properly profiled comparisons of the same image (not one of mine this time) printed on the HP Z3100 and the Epson 7800 and they've been really darn close. There was some gap in the reds of the strawberries in Bill Atkinson's target between these two machines, but the rest of it - including the B&W ramp was really so close. Based on the several episodes of comparisons I've either seen or been party to, Andrew, involving Epson, Canon and HP professional printers, I'd say that with this latest crop of high-end inkjet printers and the quality of colour management tools we now have, differences of results on the same file and the same kind of paper boil down to quibbles provided all the technical stuff has been done correctly. I don't know how many different printers and inksets are needed to make a generally valid hypothesis, but when I see it working at least between two or three, I call that significant - if you're saying its not determinative, I couldn't argue.
Now, to be clear, I wasn't talking about raw data. I don't expect to get the same colour appearance out of five raw converters in their default settings from the same file. In fact, we both know that simply doesn't happen, nor should we expect it to. Most likely, the math isn't the same between any two of them because they are developed by different folks with varying approaches and feature sets. But that isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about a single file which has been raw processed in ONE converter, brought to a single set of file numbers in Photoshop, and that file sent to two different printers using the same paper, with both computing systems and both printers being properly colour-managed.
Regards,
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Rodney
To: Mark Segal ; Robert Krawitz
Cc: email@hidden
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experience
On 5/8/08 6:56 PM, "Mark Segal" wrote:
I ran an image on my Epson, brought the print to his place, then we set-up the same file on his computer and ran it on the Canon. My set-up was Windows XP, Lacie 321, Epson printer. His set-up Apple Mac, Apple display, Canon printer. In terms of colours and luminosity you could hardly tell them apart. We did a couple more - same thing. I was really surprised. He wasn't - his comment was that if both our systems are properly colour-managed we should both get nearly identical results so what happened is what should have happened. Speaks well for where colour management has reached - at least in respect of inkjet printing from Photoshop files. .
Try a B&W print and let me know which you prefer.
And of course, add a few more printers with differing ink sets into the mix.
Do YOU really want to take the same Raw data into 5 converters and get identical color appearance?
Andrew Rodney
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