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Re: SWOP Proof Certification, TRxxx Characterization Data
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Re: SWOP Proof Certification, TRxxx Characterization Data


  • Subject: Re: SWOP Proof Certification, TRxxx Characterization Data
  • From: Mike Eddington <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:07:47 -0400

I am taking on any bet that that no one
of the responsible parties tried to open them with any *non-English*
EXCEL version: MS EXCEL as well as Apple Numbers fail miserably to
interpret them in any locales where the comma is the decimal separator.

This is not my experience. I haven't used any "non-english" Excel version, but I can open the CSV file without issue, though on Excel for Mac I had to enable "All Documents" rather than "All readable Documents" in order to select the TR006_Char_Data.csv, but again, it opened flawlessly...as it did with Apple Numbers '08 as well.



I remember that there once /were/ ordinary CGATS files -- I guess I found them at <http://gracol.org/resources/>, but most of the links on this page are dead now.

Try http://www.gracol.com/resources/datasetdownload.asp. There does appear to be a dead link on the "resource center" page, but the link on the home page works.


And for SWOP/SNAP/GRACoL proofs? Well, there are nice "streaming
WebeXes" (recorded web tutorials) where on can "learn why SWOP proofs
are G7 proofs" or "how to make a SWOP proof" and there is a link to the
/free/ IDEAlliance Control Strip -- but if one simply wants to know
which patches have to meet which criteria, one gets wrapped up with
obfuscation, misinformation and a confusing number of "ADS" (Application
Data Sheets) for all kinds of proofing systems. Why the heck should I
use different evaluations for different proofing systems when the proofs
are made for the same printing condition?

I'd consider the targets and tolerances for the ISO 12647-7 colorbar to be a work in progress (albeit well overdue). Idealliance's position seems to be that the control strip can be used in any number of applications/processes, and therefore the best method for determining targets is via the B2A tables of a specific profile, and tolerances defined between the proof producer and receiver. That's just not what people expect when they download the colorbar and ponder what to do with it, particularly with the inexplicable lack of the ISO12647-7_ControlStripV5.txt file.


For the SWOP/Gracol Proofing System Certification, to be sure the targets and tolerances for proof conformance are well defined, but to hold end-users to the same metrics is asking for trouble. Inter- instrument agreement is such as to render the ADS tolerances difficult to near impossible from location to location. Its certainly a fine target for an individual with a static instrument, but as users exchange and measure proofs on different instruments, a proof that measures within tolerance with one spectro can, and often will, measure out of tolerance on another. Another issue is how well a smaller number of patches (as the ISO 12647-2) represent conformance as compared to the larger patch count IT874....i.e. does a pass toward tolerances on one mean a pass on the other? With a smaller number of patches in the ISO control bar, the answer would be "somtimes". ;)

I agree that the FOGRA media wedge is much clearer in regards to targets and tolerances, but given the licensing restrictions (and rather steep cost), no quite as flexible. Hopefully when the SWOP proofing study results are released, there will be action to determine more acceptable end-user proofing tolerances (or maybe they would be so wide to accommodate instrument variation that the usefulness is limited...mike crosses his fingers) . Until then, the SWOP ADSs do offer some guidance on tolerances, but in the end, leaves it to the user to define their own.

Michael Eddington




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