Re: Media Testing for maclife.de
Re: Media Testing for maclife.de
- Subject: Re: Media Testing for maclife.de
- From: "Bob Frost" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:25:23 +0100
Paul,
Well I'm sure 99,9 % of the scientists here would prefer Uli for professor
because he speaks like a human being and not like a stubborn "robot"
(sorry
for calling names :-)), who is not able to teach but only dictates/repeats
the contents of his (maybe large) "database" in a "biased" way.
You don't get to be a professor for speaking like a human being! At least
not at the Universities that I know of. You have to have proved yourself
capable of doing original research, and publishing a lot of research papers
that satisfy your peers, including your competitors.
Perhaps language is interfering again and you mean 'teacher'. Some of the
best professors in the world are poor teachers - that is not their prime
function.
How may real 'scientists' are there on this list? I'd be surprised if there
were many. How many have published original research in refereed scientific
journals?
As for Chris Cox, I don't know him, but from his postings on this thread he
does seem to have mellowed lately. I do like this comment however -
"Adobe is lucky to have Chris. . .and short of Thomas Knoll, I can't think
of a person on Earth that knows more about Photoshop. If you get into a
debate on Photoshop with Chris, the odds are you will be wrong and Chris
will be right."
Similarly, I don't know anything about Uli Zappe, but Maclife.de looks like
an online website for Apple computer enthusiasts, hardly a peer-reviewed
scientific journal. Correct me please if I'm wrong.
Bob Frost.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Foerts" <email@hidden>
To: <email@hidden>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Media Testing for maclife.de
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:10:23 -0700 Chris Cox wrote:
Which means you are not profiling the camera at all, but rather
profiling the RAW conversion software and making corrections/
adjustments to the processed RAW output instead of the camera RAW
data.
So is *this* what in fact we're arguing about all the time?!?
One of your mistakes is that you didn't understand exactly what you were
testing (see above). But then you made bad claims based on that
misunderstanding, and attempted to compare things that were not directly
comparable.
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:01:26 +0200 Uli Zappe wrote:
Am 13.09.2008 um 02:10 schrieb Chris Cox:
What would happen if you submitted a thesis to a university that
contained
obvious mistakes and unsupported conclusions? Your advisor or the
reviewers
would tell you that you had mistakes and that your conclusions were
unsupported and to please go work on it some more. Very much like I'm
doing
here.
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up: you are the professor, and I am the
student.
It's simply unconceivable it could be the other way round, isn't it?
Explaining things to a machine does not work.
Others have tried to suggest/begged for updating/repairing the "Custom
CMYK"
module in Photoshop. Their "wish list" was killed because the "messenger"
apparently "did not use the correct procedure" (I don't know if the
messenger had to leave Adobe because of this "authority" thing).
This subject did surface several times on this list:
Chris Cox - 6:39pm Jun 27, 05 PST wrote:
We've tried to remove Custom CMYK entirely, but too many people
complained.
Chris Cox - Mon, 08 Sep 18.53:12 -0700 wrote
Yeah, every time I try to get rid of it, somebody screams bloody murder.
On 9/7/08 2:17 PM, "email@hidden"
<email@hidden> wrote:
Instead with have a basically broken
CMYK engine that's basically unchanged since version 2.
From this I may conclude: once the "authority" has spoken, even "too many
people" are not able to convince "the authority" to reconsider its view on
the subject. This was/is a clearly a personal matter and is going on for
years. A change of authorities would prove to be more beneficial to Adobe.
Paul Foerts
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