Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
- Subject: Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
- From: "Stanley Smith" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:09:12 -0700
One more thing-- be sure to take the translucent white sensor cover off
prior to profiling —( I made this mistake at first pass)-- It is not
really a sensor cover, but rather is intended for a separate calibration
to set the monitor to automatically adjust brightness with variations in
ambient light.
Stanley
>>> "edmund ronald" <email@hidden> 9/25/2008 11:00 AM >>>
Thank you Stanley !
Edmund
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Stanley Smith <email@hidden>
wrote:
> You can download the Mac version here:
http://www.xrite.com/product_overview.aspx?ID=1144&Action=Support&SoftwareID=833
>
> Stanley Smith
> Manager, Imaging Services
> J. Paul Getty Museum
> 1200 Getty Center Drive, Suite 1000
> Los Angeles, CA 90049-1687
> (310) 440-7286
>
>
>>>> Michael Chmilar <email@hidden> 9/25/2008 9:40 AM >>>
> Hi Andrew,
>
>
>
> I received a Dreamcolor Display and the APS kit for it, yesterday. I
am using it on a Mac, but neither product came with any Mac software
enclosed. So far, I have not been able to get the calibration sensor to
work. This is what I know, so far:
>
> 1) The sensor appears in Apple's "System Profiler" as "Eye-one
display".
>
> 2) I downloaded and installed HP_APS_v132.dmg, but it does not
discover the sensor.
>
> 3) I tried running X-Rite's "Eye-one Match", which also does not
discover the sensor.
>
> 4) I also have an older Eye-one sensor, from three or four years ago,
which functions correctly with Eye-one Match (but I am aware that this
old sensor does not have the correct color filters to use on the
Dreamcolor display).
>
> So, I am looking for information on how to get the system running on
my Mac. Any pointers you can provide will be helpful.
>
> thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto)
<email@hidden> wrote:
>
> From: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto) <email@hidden>
> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
> To: "dpascale" <email@hidden>, "'colorsync users
lists.apple.co'" <email@hidden>, "Rick Hatmaker"
<email@hidden>
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 8:39 AM
>
> The printer and display "APS's" are two separate products for now.
> Yes it would be nice if one worked with the other, and yes we are
aware of that.
>
> The APS for the Display is the:
> HP DreamColor Advanced Profiling Solution KZ300AA
> Price: ~$350
>
> Quick Summary: Primarily provides the ability to profile and
calibrate the
> lp2480zx display, update calibration in formation in the display and
create
> users specific color modes (white point, luminance, etc.)
>
>
> The APS for the Z series printers is the:
> HP Advanced Profiling Solution Q6695A
> Price: ~$799 (comes included with Z3200ps printers)
>
> Quick Summary: Primarily the APS enables you to make better ICC
printer
> profiles with the spectrophotometer built into the Designjet Z series
of
> printers. The APS provides a choice of targets, gray generation, etc.
You can
> also, with a little work, create ICC profiles for other printers with
the APS.
> The kit does include a "standard" Eye-One Display 2 which along with
> being a display calibration tool also acts as the software activation
dongle.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Andrew Page
> HP Designjet Proofing
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dpascale [mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:56 AM
> To: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto); 'colorsync users
lists.apple.co';
> Rick Hatmaker
> Subject: Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>
> Hello Andrew and Rick,
>
> Concerning the
> KZ300AA Advanced Profiling Solution (Calibration Kit)
> Is it the same as the APS Kit available for the ZX100 printer
series!
> (Product number Q6695A-Intl or Q6701A-Asia)
>
> I know the part number is not the same, and I know the price is not
the same
> (!), but these two kits have:
> - the same name
> - are both based on the i1-Display 2
> - are both made for products sold under the "Dreamcolor" branding
> (which
> emphasizes color gamut among other things)
>
> If these kits are not the same, is the ZX100 kit compatible with the
> Dreamcolor display?
>
> Thank-you,
>
> Danny Pascale
> email@hidden
> www.babelcolor.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto)" <email@hidden>
> To: "'colorsync users lists.apple.co'"
> <email@hidden>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:51 PM
> Subject: FW: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>
>
>> I'm one of the architects of DreamColor here at HP so let me provide
a
> bit
>> more information on the display. Since I work mainly in the print
side of
>> the business please take these as my observations and not the
official HP
>> stance.
>>
>> Calibration & Profiling
>> - The recommended way to calibrate and profile the display is with
the HP
>> Advanced Profiling Solution (APS) which has an Eye-One Display2
with
>> filters and software tuned for the display (the SW works on Mac and
>> Windows). As I mentioned to Bob this software will update the LUTs
that
>> are in the display. You can also create custom "color modes"
> that you see
>> in the on-screen display with the APS. More on that later
>>
>> - A spectral device will create high quality display profiles as
well, but
>> none of the tools currently talk with the display to update the LUTs
so
>> the calibration will need to be applied somewhere else
>>
>> - Existing colorimeters, like the Eye-One Display2, may not work as
well
>> as expected given the difference in the colors of the filters when
>> compared to the display -- Please feel free to provide me your
>> observations on this point
>>
>> - Time between calibration is looking to be in the multi-hundreds of
hours
>> based on the feedback from a few color critical customers; I'd
> certainly
>> be interested to hear what you learn
>>
>> Color Modes
>> - You can select multiple color modes in the display: Full, Adobe
RGB
>> 1998, sRGB, Rec. 709 (HDTV), and a D-Cinema simulation. Selecting
one of
>> these will adjust the white point, color primary intensity, and
luminance
>> to simulate the setting. When you change color modes the operating
system
>> may or may not catch the change and reassign the ICC profiles to
tools
>> like Photoshop correctly so...
>>
>> - My recommendation on this, unless you are working with tools that
are
>> not ICC managed (video tools mainly) leave the display in its
native/full
>> mode and let the applications manage the colors.
>>
>> General use
>> As someone noted the display makes the desktop look rather vivid.
Vista
>> and the Mac OS do not appear to color manage the desktop by default
so the
>> colors get displayed incorrectly, just the same as viewing sRGB
image
>> mis-tagged as Adobe RGB. If someone here knows how to enable color
>> management for the desktop, please let me know.
>>
>> You can enable color management in Firefox by enabling the
>> gfx.color_management.enabled flag in about:config to at least make
it look
>> a bit nicer. I'm not sure about Safari, IE or Opera.
>>
>> -Andrew Page
>> HP Designjet Proofing
>> 650.857.6823
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Rock [mailto:email@hidden]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:15 PM
>> To: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto)
>> Cc: 'colorsync users lists.apple.co'
>> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>>
>> Andrew,
>> Here you go: http://www.bobrock.com/colorsync/gamut_compare2.pdf
>>
>> The RED wire is the profile that shipped with the display, called
> "Full
>> Color Preset" as you requested.
>> The GREEN wire is my personally generated profile.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> I'm at 6500 and 2.2 which is what I generally prefer and am used to.
I
>> adjusted the white points manually in ProfileMaker, using the manual
RGB
>> adjustments on the OSD Menu.
>>
>> I did not know about the point you make regarding the Eye-One, but
as soon
>> as the "customized" calibration package that HP/X-Rite have
> partnered
>> becomes available, I will get one. I have one on order with Rick
Hatmaker
>> at
>> Chromix.
>>
>> Let me know if you need anything else.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bob Rock
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto) [mailto:email@hidden]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:58 PM
>> To: Robert Rock
>> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> I'm going to ask you for something a bit unorthodox here since I
> don't
>> happen to have a lp2480 on my desk at the moment. For curiosity sake
could
>> you re-draw your diagram and include the lp2480zx profile that ships
with
>> the display? I've attached it here so you don't need to dig for
> it. Yes I
>> know it's generic but since the panels are factory calibrated it's
> not
>> that
>> far off reality, at least at full brightness; if you have the
brightness
>> turned down to something a bit more retina friendly then this might
not
>> work
>> -- what brightness are you working at?
>>
>> I'm interested in this since the color filters that are in your
> eye-One
>> Display2 are not designed for the primaries that are in the
DreamColor
>> display, but for the reds greens and blues of a standard display.
This
>> difference will lead to a different color response when used on a
2480;
>> I'm
>> interested to see how big a difference there is in the in "real
> world"
>> operation rather than the lab.
>>
>> A spectrophotometer, like the Eye-One will not have this limitation
and we
>> have worked with X-Rite to create a version of the Eye-One Display2
that
>> is
>> designed for the lp2480, which we sell as the HP DreamColor
advanced
>> profiling system (APS). Along with the improved filters, the APS
will plug
>> the calibration information into the display so that when you switch
modes
>> the display will use the new information.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Andrew Page
>> HP Designjet Proofing
>> 650.857.6823
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: colorsync-users-bounces+andrew_page=email@hidden
>> [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+andrew_page=email@hidden]
On
>> Behalf Of Robert Rock
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:12 PM
>> To: 'edmund ronald'
>> Cc: ''colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List'
>> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>>
>> Edmund,
>> Yes, the profile was made with X-Rite ProfileMaker 5.0.8, using
Eye-one
>> Display2
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: edmund ronald [mailto:email@hidden]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:22 PM
>> To: Robert Rock
>> Cc: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List
>> Subject: Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Robert Rock
<email@hidden>
>> wrote:
>>> This might be of interest...I just created the following PDF image
in
>>> ColorThink:
>>> http://www.bobrock.com/POTN/gamut compare.pdf
>>>
>>> ...shows a comparison of several color spaces:
>>> The sRGB is represent by the RED wire frame.
>>> My previous display, Dell 2405FPW, is represented by the GREEN
frame.
>>> AdobeRGB is represented by the PINK or MAGENTA frame.
>>> And the HP Dreamcolor Display....drum roll please...is the BLUE
> frame!!
>>>
>>> It speaks for itself.
>>>
>> Robert -
>>
>> Nice graph.
>>
>> Is this a measured profile ?
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>
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