Re: ICC update from Tom Lianza, Chairman ICC.
Re: ICC update from Tom Lianza, Chairman ICC.
- Subject: Re: ICC update from Tom Lianza, Chairman ICC.
- From: edmund ronald <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:34:06 +0100
Hi Tom,
If Apple and Microsoft refuse to come to meetings, Google is not a
member and the Linux crowd are dismissed as being "independent
developers", then I wonder exactly how much relevance future ICC specs
will have. At least as regards to computer systems.
So, I do think that a comment board where *engineers* from these
companies, and maybe other users -if motivated- can interact may
provide the necessary input from all stakeholders to get the details
-and the necessity right in whatever work we do. At he very least,
engineers can tell us how they feel about things even if their
companies just cannot be bothered. I'm sure that the staggering rate
at which V4 has been adopted makes my point.
BTW, I'm very happy that you are throwing your energy and competence
in this push for modernization.
Edmund
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:45 PM, <email@hidden> wrote:
> Hi Edmund,
> As you can see, we are looking forward and we are taking cues from the
> outside world. Everyone needs to understand that unlike many independent
> developers, we have to move towards a workable specification. While it's
> great to have lots of comments and participation, in the end it is a long
> process to get to a useable specification that can become an ISO work
> product. The other point that needs to be understood is that we need to
> work with older profiles as well, so the infrastructure that an independent
> developer invents, may not fit well within the framework of the work we are
> doing. None the less, all comments are welcome. I will as Phil to look
> into some kind of comment board, that is visible to the world at large.
> If the "probe profiles" meet the V4 spec, then they should not barf. If you
> have a failing example, please send it to my xrite address and I will
> forward it to the appropriate developer.
> With respect to WCS: I cannot comment on it. I know that it will respect a
> V2 profile, but I am unsure of V4. It is my understanding that the
> Microsoft Rich Media team has been disbanded so I am no longer aware of
> anyone at MS working on Color Management. Neither Apple, nor MS was
> represented at the last meeting.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edmund ronald" <email@hidden>
> To: "Klaus Karcher" <email@hidden>
> Cc: email@hidden, email@hidden, "colorsync-users"
> <email@hidden>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:59:39 AM
> Subject: Re: ICC update from Tom Lianza, Chairman ICC.
>
> Tom,
>
> May I suggest -as an ICC member - that we extend the communication
> process started here by opening a public comment zone specifically
> relevant to .2 ? As an ICC member, I do enjoy having heard of .2, and
> will now make my comments in public as I was never asked to comment in
> private.
>
> Re. the XML tools for the existing spec, I did try to use them but Max
> wasn't supporting Mac OS specifically. An associate did a port for me,
> but it might be a good idea to get a Mac port officially supported
> and in sync.
>
> My first experiment with the port of the XML tools demonstrated that
> by construction the tools *can and will barf* on weird stuff like
> probe profiles. I think an official transition of ICC profiles to a
> "modern" format like XML or JSON is a wonderfully appropriate idea,
> and the sooner it gets adopted the better - but we should make sure we
> have the most robust and tolerant spec and reference implementation,
> and test the bejeezus out the parser or else we'll end up with a new
> ICC format that is interoperable with the old one only on paper.
>
> By the way, there is still an elephant in this room, namely Windows
> Color System - what is the status of that, and to what degree are
> Microsoft now prepared to interact with the ICC standards process?
>
> Edmund
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Klaus Karcher <email@hidden>
> wrote:
>> email@hidden wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi to all,
>>>
>>> To that
>>> end, the next generation (which we call .2 (dot 2)) will be completed
>>> as an open source project which all can use. You can see what we are
>>> up to by going to www.color.org and clicking on the ICC .2 heading on
>>> the lower right of the page. Constructive
>>> comments/critiques/questions are welcome.
>>
>>
>
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