Re: Colormanagement: Bugs, bugs, bugs ... :-(
Re: Colormanagement: Bugs, bugs, bugs ... :-(
- Subject: Re: Colormanagement: Bugs, bugs, bugs ... :-(
- From: Tom Lianza <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:47:16 -0500
- Thread-topic: Colormanagement: Bugs, bugs, bugs ... :-(
Hi Edmund,
I am and enduser, myself, and I completely agree, however this is a lot of
work. If you take a look at the altona Test Suit, you will see just how
extensive and expensive it can get. I don't have a problem with public
tests. SampleICC is open and available to everyone. The "free" part can
get to be hard because of the resources required to get the work done. I
will try to get some support at the next ICC meeting.
Regards,
Tom
On 1/31/11 10:32 AM, "edmund ronald" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Thank you for your kind reply.
>
> I find it commendable that you have definitely noticed that end-user
> workflows are unravelling.
>
> This means that an increasing number of buggy or non-interoperable
> implementations have reached the market.
>
> I believe that managers at the various vendors would react favorably
> to an "official test-suite". By incorporating the tests as a
> development milestone, they could avoid latter support costs and
> customer complaints.
>
> At the moment the color workflow descriptions are so obscure that
> only specialists can understand them and sometimes locate the bugs. A
> test suite would offer management at vendors a clear way to specify
> the minimal required quality of an implementation. Surely this would
> be a nice instance of "Vendor Outreach"?
>
> And a test suite should be public, because in the end those with the
> most need for help with color are the third-party devs with small
> resources for testing.
>
> Edmund
>
>
>
>> With regard to test tools, we have a number of them but there are certain
>> trade mark and legal requirements that must be followed. For instance, we
>> need to review and clarify the copyrights inside profiles that are used in
>> test targets. We have this issue with the profile registry and we need to
>> get clear release from the owners of the intellectual property.
>>
>> Now with respect to the use of the word "embarrass": Honorable Organizations
>> don't get embarrassed by mistakes. Everyone wants their products to work
>> well. The problem is allocating the resources and planning to correct the
>> mistakes. The priorities of certain companies may not align with the
>> priorities of customers, that is a fact of life.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/31/11 8:55 AM, "edmund ronald" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> Jan-Peter
>>> Our forum archives at http://lists.color.org/pipermail/icc_users/
>>> show we haven't had a post since October!
>>> The colorsync list and above all the openicc lists, and various
>>> vendor and photography forums seem much more active. Maybe up to now
>>> the ICC effort to engage the public hasn't been very effective? How
>>> come we are having this discussion here and not there ? :)
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Jan-Peter Homann
>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>> Hello Edmund and all,
>>>> The ICC already has the ICC-users forum, which is open for the public and
>>>> monitored by ICC members.
>>>>
>>>> Further creation of test-tools can be discussed here.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.color.org/icc_users.xalter
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Jan-Peter
>>>>
>>>> Am 31.01.11 14:25, schrieb edmund ronald:
>>>>>
>>>>> Throw open the ICC windows and let in some fresh air. My suggestion:
>>>>> create a technical forum where both end-users and engineers could
>>>>> post. Let anyone attend meetings. And, finally PLEASE provide some
>>>>> test tools, even though applying them to ICC members software might
>>>>> embarrass!
>>>>
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