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Re: ArgyllCMS xicclu tool & gamut check [formerly: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe ]
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Re: ArgyllCMS xicclu tool & gamut check [formerly: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe ]


  • Subject: Re: ArgyllCMS xicclu tool & gamut check [formerly: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe ]
  • From: edward taffel <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:13:36 -0400

> On Mar 29, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Graeme Gill <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>>>> i have found that colorsync may fail to match a color it reported out-of-gamut,
>>>> i.e. transforms the coordinates, but the transformed color remains out-of-gamut.
>
> Practical gamut checks are typically not very precise. The ICC profile has a gamut tag,
> but it is a notoriously inaccurate representation, and seems to be rarely used.
>
> Many systems use a "round trip check" instead. Take the PCS color, convert
> to device space via the B2A table and back to PCS via the A2B. If the delta
> E is over a threshold, then regard it as out of gamut. The use of B2A
> tables and an arbitrary threshold makes the check imprecise.
>
> If ColorSync is either using the gamut tag or doing a round trip check,
> then it would be no surprise for some colors to be regarded as "out of gamut",
> even after converting it to device space and back to PCS, since B2A tables
> have a degree of inaccuracy, particularly near the gamut boundary, which
> could lead to a noticeable round trip delta E.
>
> Doing a precise gamut check is more work. The ArgyllCMS xicclu
> tool for instance will do a precise gamut check when doing an "-fif"
> lookup (inverse A2B table lookup). This is "accurate" in the sense that
> it determines whether the color is in the A2B table somewhere to a high
> numerical precision. A subtlety for > 4 color profiles is that a color may
> not be reproducible in the B2A table, even though it is present in the A2B
> table, due to smoothness/interpolation continuity constraints.
> (For the purposes of the discussion I've also ignored any consideration of ink
> limits.)

thanks for your detailed reply, & making us aware of gamut-check w/ xicclu .

the scenario i mentioned occurs in the context of user specified/edited synthetic color, & this incurs frequent gamut-check calls from a ui control;
but i’ll [try to] set up a batch test on sample data for evaluation of xicclu ‘-fif’, & look forward to seeing the results.


> Graeme Gill.
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References: 
 >Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: "Millers' Photography L.L.C." <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: John Castronovo <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: Ben Goren <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: edward taffel <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: edward taffel <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: edward taffel <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Affinity Photo and colorsync issue, maybe (From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>)

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