Re: Proofing media (was Re: Monitor White Point Confusion)
Re: Proofing media (was Re: Monitor White Point Confusion)
- Subject: Re: Proofing media (was Re: Monitor White Point Confusion)
- From: Ernst Dinkla <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 10:15:02 +0100
Is the Felix Schoeller Trust line different from its normal paper catalog
despite the identical numbers used in their description?
If I go by the numbers only I see several papers where I measured OBA
content and Fogra gives them a non-OBA quality spec.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
Dinkla Grafische Techniek
Quad, piëzografie, giclée
www.pigment-print.com
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM Claas Bickeböller <email@hidden>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Fogra certified papers is always a good starting point.
> You can filter by gloss level and OBA level.
>
> Here a filtered list of semimatte with few OBAs
>
>
> https://www.fogra.org/plugin.php?Firma_105=&Substrat_106=&Papiertyp_107=1&OBAKlasse_320=1&OBAClass_445=&mvcform_tag_gueltig_263=08&mvcform_monat_gueltig_263=03&mvcform_jahr_gueltig_263=2019&search_mv=&mv_submit=Find&mv_submit=Find&mv_id=11&extern_meta=x&menuid=143&onemv=11&template=mv/templates/mv_search_front_onemv.html
> <
> https://www.fogra.org/plugin.php?Firma_105=&Substrat_106=&Papiertyp_107=1&OBAKlasse_320=1&OBAClass_445=&mvcform_tag_gueltig_263=08&mvcform_monat_gueltig_263=03&mvcform_jahr_gueltig_263=2019&search_mv=&mv_submit=Find&mv_submit=Find&mv_id=11&extern_meta=x&menuid=143&onemv=11&template=mv/templates/mv_search_front_onemv.html
> >
>
> Personally I got very good results using the P51311 from Schoeller for
> FOGRA51 proofs.
>
> BR
>
> Claas
>
> > Am 08.03.2019 um 01:23 schrieb John Lund <email@hidden>:
> >
> > Hi Refik,
> >
> > Thanks very much for this. It will help a lot as I start my search.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Refik Telhan <email@hidden> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> Here is a short list:
> >>
> >> EFI Proofing Paper 8245OBA Semimatt M0:
> 95.62|0.77|-3.20 M1: 95.74|0.93|-4.49
> >>
> >> GMG ProofPaper Semimatte 250 OBA M0:
> 97.17|0.31|-3.24 M1: 97.30|0.48|-4.72
> >>
> >> Felix Schoeller P51311 TRUST PREMIUM SATIN 200 M0:
> 95.75|0.85|-3.28 M1: 95.86|1.00|-4.49
> >>
> >> Mitsubishi Papers SM 2551 P
> M0: 96.00|0.92|-3.58 M1: 96.11|1.11|-4.91
> >>
> >> These are measured on a white backing with an i1Pro2. Some of them have
> slightly different values in their datasheets. I have profiled and used
> two of them. I have physical samples of the remaining two. They really come
> close to the real thing,
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Refik Telhan
> >>
> >> On 07.03.2019 20:56, "colorsync-users on behalf of John Lund"
> <colorsync-users-bounces+rtelhan=email@hidden on behalf of
> email@hidden> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks to all for this discussion. I have learned a lot. Ben’s
> comment also reminded me of a question I have wanted to pose…
> >>
> >>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Ben Goren <email@hidden <mailto:
> email@hidden>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you can’t make proof prints on the same stock as the final, at
> least get something with a similar amount of OBA.
> >>
> >> For the past few years we have been using Epson’s Proofing Paper
> White Semimatte as a (relatively) neutral media for our Fiery-driven Epson
> SC P9000 proofing system. I am finding that increasingly, our clients’s
> files are being printed on paper stock loaded with optical brightening
> agents, so our “neutral” media appears quite “yellowish” compared to the
> final press output. I’m beginning to think that media that measures
> “neutral” is now anachronistic when proofing for publications.
> >>
> >> So my question is, what might be a more appropriate paper for
> general-purpose proofing - recommendations gladly accepted!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> John
> >> JWL Images
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