Re: Proofing media (was Re: Monitor White Point Confusion)
Re: Proofing media (was Re: Monitor White Point Confusion)
- Subject: Re: Proofing media (was Re: Monitor White Point Confusion)
- From: Claas Bickeböller <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 10:28:43 +0100
Ernst,
AFAIK Fogra follows the ISO 15397 levels.
That is that a Delta Brightness (Brightness D65 - Brightness UVcut) ≤ 1 is
regarded as OBA free.
OBA free = 0 ≤ 1
Faint = 1 ≤ 4
Low = 4 ≤ 8
Moderate = 8 ≤ 14
High = 14 ≤ 25
There is no name for dB > 25 though these papers also exist.
Best regards
Claas
> Am 08.03.2019 um 10:15 schrieb Ernst Dinkla <email@hidden>:
>
> Is the Felix Schoeller Trust line different from its normal paper catalog
> despite the identical numbers used in their description?
>
> If I go by the numbers only I see several papers where I measured OBA
> content and Fogra gives them a non-OBA quality spec.
>
> Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
>
> Dinkla Grafische Techniek
> Quad, piëzografie, giclée
> www.pigment-print.com <http://www.pigment-print.com/>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM Claas Bickeböller <email@hidden
> <mailto:email@hidden>>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Fogra certified papers is always a good starting point.
>> You can filter by gloss level and OBA level.
>>
>> Here a filtered list of semimatte with few OBAs
>>
>>
>> https://www.fogra.org/plugin.php?Firma_105=&Substrat_106=&Papiertyp_107=1&OBAKlasse_320=1&OBAClass_445=&mvcform_tag_gueltig_263=08&mvcform_monat_gueltig_263=03&mvcform_jahr_gueltig_263=2019&search_mv=&mv_submit=Find&mv_submit=Find&mv_id=11&extern_meta=x&menuid=143&onemv=11&template=mv/templates/mv_search_front_onemv.html
>>
>> <https://www.fogra.org/plugin.php?Firma_105=&Substrat_106=&Papiertyp_107=1&OBAKlasse_320=1&OBAClass_445=&mvcform_tag_gueltig_263=08&mvcform_monat_gueltig_263=03&mvcform_jahr_gueltig_263=2019&search_mv=&mv_submit=Find&mv_submit=Find&mv_id=11&extern_meta=x&menuid=143&onemv=11&template=mv/templates/mv_search_front_onemv.html>
>> <
>> https://www.fogra.org/plugin.php?Firma_105=&Substrat_106=&Papiertyp_107=1&OBAKlasse_320=1&OBAClass_445=&mvcform_tag_gueltig_263=08&mvcform_monat_gueltig_263=03&mvcform_jahr_gueltig_263=2019&search_mv=&mv_submit=Find&mv_submit=Find&mv_id=11&extern_meta=x&menuid=143&onemv=11&template=mv/templates/mv_search_front_onemv.html
>>
>> <https://www.fogra.org/plugin.php?Firma_105=&Substrat_106=&Papiertyp_107=1&OBAKlasse_320=1&OBAClass_445=&mvcform_tag_gueltig_263=08&mvcform_monat_gueltig_263=03&mvcform_jahr_gueltig_263=2019&search_mv=&mv_submit=Find&mv_submit=Find&mv_id=11&extern_meta=x&menuid=143&onemv=11&template=mv/templates/mv_search_front_onemv.html>
>>>
>>
>> Personally I got very good results using the P51311 from Schoeller for
>> FOGRA51 proofs.
>>
>> BR
>>
>> Claas
>>
>>> Am 08.03.2019 um 01:23 schrieb John Lund <email@hidden>:
>>>
>>> Hi Refik,
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for this. It will help a lot as I start my search.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Refik Telhan <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a short list:
>>>>
>>>> EFI Proofing Paper 8245OBA Semimatt M0:
>> 95.62|0.77|-3.20 M1: 95.74|0.93|-4.49
>>>>
>>>> GMG ProofPaper Semimatte 250 OBA M0:
>> 97.17|0.31|-3.24 M1: 97.30|0.48|-4.72
>>>>
>>>> Felix Schoeller P51311 TRUST PREMIUM SATIN 200 M0:
>> 95.75|0.85|-3.28 M1: 95.86|1.00|-4.49
>>>>
>>>> Mitsubishi Papers SM 2551 P
>> M0: 96.00|0.92|-3.58 M1: 96.11|1.11|-4.91
>>>>
>>>> These are measured on a white backing with an i1Pro2. Some of them have
>> slightly different values in their datasheets. I have profiled and used
>> two of them. I have physical samples of the remaining two. They really come
>> close to the real thing,
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Refik Telhan
>>>>
>>>> On 07.03.2019 20:56, "colorsync-users on behalf of John Lund"
>> <colorsync-users-bounces+rtelhan=email@hidden on behalf of
>> email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all for this discussion. I have learned a lot. Ben’s
>> comment also reminded me of a question I have wanted to pose…
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Ben Goren <email@hidden <mailto:
>> email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can’t make proof prints on the same stock as the final, at
>> least get something with a similar amount of OBA.
>>>>
>>>> For the past few years we have been using Epson’s Proofing Paper
>> White Semimatte as a (relatively) neutral media for our Fiery-driven Epson
>> SC P9000 proofing system. I am finding that increasingly, our clients’s
>> files are being printed on paper stock loaded with optical brightening
>> agents, so our “neutral” media appears quite “yellowish” compared to the
>> final press output. I’m beginning to think that media that measures
>> “neutral” is now anachronistic when proofing for publications.
>>>>
>>>> So my question is, what might be a more appropriate paper for
>> general-purpose proofing - recommendations gladly accepted!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> JWL Images
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