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Re: Multitimbral Music Devices - Question and Proposal
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Re: Multitimbral Music Devices - Question and Proposal


  • Subject: Re: Multitimbral Music Devices - Question and Proposal
  • From: Frank Hoffmann <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:26:22 +0200

Urs, sorry to insist, but multitimbral Audio Units just add another layer of unneeded conceptional overhead. There is no need for that and you can see how much confusion it creates with VST. And there is still no clear concept how to handle the scenario. Neither on the host nor on the client side. They just shouldn't. The mistake was to allow multitimbral plugin in the first place.

The concept of multitimbral comes from hardware synthesizer, where it made sense for cost reasons. But for the virtual studio there is simply a lack of need for something like this. Hence somebody wants to simulate a virtual instrument with say a drum machine and a synthesis part, why shouldn't he create one Audio Unit for the drum machine and one for the synthesis part? There is no disadvantage, but it buys you a lot more flexibility. Of course the virtual counterfeit wouldn't look exactly like the original anymore. But this point is mood, you also can't simulate the feeling of actually touching the keys this way.

Regarding Audio Units hosting Audio Units: There should be no need for that. Or how many layers of Audio Units inside Audio Units you want to support?

Ergo: better no multitimbral Audio Units IMHO.

Ciao,

Frank

ps: I would like to suggest that you try to persuade your "sometimes imminent rulings" to alter the way of the pure discipline again... ;)


On Dienstag, Juli 15, 2003, at 03:12 Uhr, Urs Heckmann wrote:


Am Dienstag, 15.07.03, um 14:33 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb Frank Hoffmann:

On Montag, Juli 14, 2003, at 07:11 Uhr, Urs Heckmann wrote:
Hi,

so now I'm in a mess. I don't want to, but I have to. Multitimbral Music Device. Geeeze.

What do you think?
Oh no, please don't. Which reason can there be to do something like this? If a user wants to get another part, he can and should just open another instance of the Audio Unit. Which other reason do you propose?

Frank

He Frank, I don't want this for me. Of course not. I bashed multitimbral, and I meant it.

However. I hate marketing and featurism. But sometimes you have to obey to these rulings to earn money. This sometimes becomes a critical aspect, usually short time after a Keynote Event [Frank and I sat in the first row, during the storm event, hehe].

And who knows what it's good for. - Being able to process all voices of a multitim Music Device within one render call will be rewarded by nice use of cache. It's easier to use Logic along with Live on stage, because you can trigger different sounds without venturesome Environments (well, you could use RAX + RT Player instead). No doubt, despite all hassle, multitim has some pros as well.

And it's not limited to multitim. It's not even limited to homogenous "parts". It could also drive modular Plugin environments. Think of a simplified Numerology running as a plugin inside [your fav host here], where each module is its own AU Element, being fully automatable, regardless of configuration, thus enhancing the functionality of [your fav host here].

I've gone through AU specs and found that Elements idea offers almost everything to do it right. Hence, why not make AU the first platform I know (well, I know only 2 in-depth) that does it right, and without workarounds?

Cheers,

;) Urs

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