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Re: Multitimbral Music Devices - Question and Proposal
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Re: Multitimbral Music Devices - Question and Proposal


  • Subject: Re: Multitimbral Music Devices - Question and Proposal
  • From: Frank Hoffmann <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:15:25 +0200

On Dienstag, Juli 15, 2003, at 04:47 Uhr, Urs Heckmann wrote:


Am Dienstag, 15.07.03, um 16:26 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb Frank Hoffmann:

Urs, sorry to insist, but multitimbral Audio Units just add another layer of unneeded conceptional overhead. There is no need for that and you can see how much confusion it creates with VST. And there is still no clear concept how to handle the scenario. Neither on the host nor on the client side. They just shouldn't. The mistake was to allow multitimbral plugin in the first place.

The concept of multitimbral comes from hardware synthesizer, where it made sense for cost reasons. But for the virtual studio there is simply a lack of need for something like this. Hence somebody wants to simulate a virtual instrument with say a drum machine and a synthesis part, why shouldn't he create one Audio Unit for the drum machine and one for the synthesis part? There is no disadvantage, but it buys you a lot more flexibility. Of course the virtual counterfeit wouldn't look exactly like the original anymore. But this point is mood, you also can't simulate the feeling of actually touching the keys this > way.

I agree.

But being a tech-punk, I like options.
Yes, I tend to think in the same direction. But we should focus on User experience. And this is where the pain starts with it. Too many options can sometimes be a bigger problem, than a clear and simple rule.

Regarding Audio Units hosting Audio Units: There should be no need for that. Or how many layers of Audio Units inside Audio Units you want to support?

I never meant it that way (Look at www.five12.com for Numerology). I just meant to propose a way to handle flexible, heterogenous modular units. No matter what it's good for at the current point of knowledge. Just as an option. (Maybe James C & James McC support me here?)
Numerology is just one Example. But think about NI Reaktor. What is an Element in Reaktor? Can you identify that? You talk about a solution for a special purpose which is missing the "extensibility". But to say it again, it is not the task of Audio Units to provide an interface for a problem like that.

Ergo: better no multitimbral Audio Units IMHO.

Get away from "multitimbral". Let's call them "extensible", "multiparted" or anything.
We might call it however you please. But doing so the doors are open for extensive misuse. And it will make an verification suite for Audio Units more difficult to do, if not even impossible...

However. I have headache today (listened to customers yesterday nite), so maybe I have strange brain configuration today..

ps: I would like to suggest that you try to persuade your "sometimes imminent rulings" to alter the way of the pure discipline again... >> ;)

Not necessary. I think they lurk here.

The devil itself lurks behind a pretty face sometimes... ;)

Cheers,

;) Urs

Ciao,

Frank

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