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Re: iChat's echo cancellation (was Re: Output Capture)
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Re: iChat's echo cancellation (was Re: Output Capture)


  • Subject: Re: iChat's echo cancellation (was Re: Output Capture)
  • From: Jeff Moore <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:04:59 -0700



On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Andrew Kimpton wrote:

iChat works entirely with public APIs and their own echo cancellation code. No private APIs are used.

You speak as if we have access to the iChat code, so it's not a given at all that just because iChat can do something, so can we.

Why would you need access to the iChat code? Echo Cancellation is a major research area in signal processing. It is written about in numerous text books and papers every year. I'm sure you can dig up something useful with even a casual Google search.


If it's the case that iChat only uses public APIs, how about some of that code gets pasted into a new Sample Code project and put on ADC? That would seem to make the most sense since people like us repeatedly are looking for a cold, hard solution. And if you don't won't to do that, could you help us understand why not? If the reason is that it would be unsupported code, then we'd say back that we understand and acknowledge that and we assume the consequences of that.

Since we don't provide an Echo Cancellation library, obviously there won't be any sample code for that. But that aside, there is all sorts of sample code for all the APIs that iChat uses out of Core Audio.



Some folk here seem (from my reading of the messages) to want access to the audio emitted by the computer itself in order to eliminate it from captured audio as part of an echo cancellation process ?

Indeed.

They seem to be strengthening the argument by suggesting that iChat does the same thing ?

But does it ?

Ah! The $64 question!

To be honest, I don't really know what algorithms iChat uses. Not being all that strong in the signal processing department, I'd probably not understand the math anyway =)


Perhaps iChat's audio enhancement and echo cancellation doesn't use the computers own current output at all ? But relies on other approaches ? If I recall correctly the iSight for example employs two microphones with beam shaping to enhance the quality of the sound on the basis that the persona talking is in front of the camera. Similar knowledge of the physical layout of two microphones in a notebook (assuming true stereo input) could also be used to achieve a similar effect.

Indeed. I imagine that there are many algorithms in this domain that don't require all of the output of the device to do their job. I'm sure that iChat must be making use of them because I know they don't have access to the output of the device.


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Jeff Moore
Core Audio
Apple


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