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Re: AU, plugin tempo, musical time information
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Re: AU, plugin tempo, musical time information


  • Subject: Re: AU, plugin tempo, musical time information
  • From: Doug Wyatt <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:29:56 -0800

And after writing that I realized that many sequencers, of course, just choose some division of the quarter note (notice, quarter note, not beat) and count in terms of 480ths, 960ths or whatever.

And that where it matters even more is when putting tempo into the equation and trying to convert between a beat position and a host time. It really seems better if tempo is expressed in a way that is independent of the time signature -- and, in MIDI files, it is, as microseconds per quarter note (again, quarter note, not beat).


On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:24 , Doug Wyatt wrote:


On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:05 , Richard Dobson wrote:

Doug Wyatt wrote:
.
Think of a measure of 7/8 as being 3.5 beats long. This isn't the "canonical" way that a musician would think of it,

You're not kidding! Standard musical practice (I suspect amongst drummers too) is to divide such patterns into "squares and triangles" - 2+2+3, or 3+2+2; sometimes 4+3. Some modern scores actually notate it that way, too.


Even 8/8 is not safe: think Bartok's pieces in "Bulgarian Rhythm" : 3 + 3+2. You will want everything to fit those accents, ~not~ quarter-notes.


but it makes perfect
sense to a drummer contemplating polyrhythms, and it does have the advantage of a "beat" remaining constant in duration across meter changes (unless there are also tempo changes).

I am intrigued to know how that is an advantage. Crotchets with everything?



I have pieces where I improvised a steady stream of 16th notes, and then superimposed a meter track on them, e.g.:


4/4 4/4 7/8 6/8 4/4 5/8 6/8 *

Now if I change my mind and decided I want to notate those 4/4's as 8/8's (so that the metronome clicks twice as often), I don't have to go through the whole sequence and change the absolute beat location of any of the MIDI note events. My little programs to assist in creating a coordinate system (meter and tempo tracks) for a free performance are certainly happier that way, plus, beyond my convenience as a programmer, as a musician I'm losing precision in the locations of the events every time I change a denominator in the meter track.

Maybe there are track representations where beats are expressed in the denominator of the time signature and this problem doesn't exist, but I'm skeptical and/or myopic; I worked with the inventor of MIDI files and have just always thought of things that way.

Doug

* After I just made that up I noticed that it adds up to 24 quarter notes. Could be interesting.


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