Re: Getting back on track [was Re: GNU-Darwin: missing code in Darwin]
Re: Getting back on track [was Re: GNU-Darwin: missing code in Darwin]
- Subject: Re: Getting back on track [was Re: GNU-Darwin: missing code in Darwin]
- From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:22:09 -0500
On Jun 8, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Ernesto Corvi wrote:
I'd like to start a technical discussion on the Darwin kernel for
Intel processors, but I guess
that will have to wait...
According to ...
http://developer.apple.com/opensource/overview.html
we read ...
"Darwin is the open source UNIX-based foundation of Mac OS X"
Yes, and that's still accurate.
Darwin is, and always has been, two different things:
Apple's open source strategy (including individual components,
projects, and tools, and the mechanisms for distributing them), and
an (sometimes standalone bootable) OS.
Even in the context of Mac OS X (Intel), "Darwin" still represents
the open source, UNIX-based foundation of Mac OS X. Not everything is
open source. Currently, one of those things is xnu (the kernel).
Everything else that has previously been released as open source
under the GPL or APSL (or other) licenses is still available.
"Apple has made open source and standards a key part of its
strategy..."
But Darwin isn't open source anymore.
Yes, "Darwin", technically, still is open source, since Darwin is a
strategy that represented the act of open sourcing many key
components of the OS. That is still true.
You can't compile your own version of Darwin for Intel anymore.
...and? Does that make any of the other open source pieces, which
make up "Darwin", any less useful (unless your only purpose is to
build a bootable OS)?
Maybe the web page needs updating to reflect the reality of the
situation?
Maybe put an asterisk next to open source?
Why? Since when does "open source" == "must be able to be a bootable,
standalone, binary OS distribution"?
Honestly, this entire charade is really disappointing.
Ernesto.
(Please note that I am 100% in favor of Apple communicating its long
term plans on Darwin, both as a strategy and an OS, and plans with
respect to the kernel, etc., but I believe Apple has already stated
clearly what its position is, and that is that no permanent decisions
have been made yet, and that, for now, the source for xnu is
unavailable on Intel. It would stand to reason that Apple may clarify
or expand upon its position at a worldwide developer conference of
some type that might be coming up in a little over a month...)
- Dave
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