Re: esteban bodigami
Re: esteban bodigami
- Subject: Re: esteban bodigami
- From: Eli Bach <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:12:33 -0700
On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Esteban Bodigami wrote:
yeah, "shoot the messenger".
2009/7/20 Joel Reymont <email@hidden>
May I make voice a thought?
The less people are going to reply to the nonsense spewed by
Esteban, the
more encouragement he's gonna have to discuss technical bits truly
relevant
to the list.
This will be my only message to/about Esteban's messages.
First, the political messages are entirely inappropriate for this list.
Second, "messenger" implies that there is some group of people that
you just being the front man for (either selected by them or self-
selected).
Code-wise, English has become the de-facto "language" for programming
in, particularly for open-source projects. Not American English. Not
US Army English. Just English. It's not exclusive, but it certainly
has the most widespread support.
Third, there may be a couple of other people interested in your idea
to fork the darwin code base to localize the code itself, they have to
realize that these forks would dead before they start, simply because
there is nobody running systems that could run programs coded against
these forks.
While MacOS X is based on the code that Apple releases, you can't even
recompile and use what Apple releases and have the GUI part of MacOS X
still work on top of it.
You're best bet for doing something that will be usable by non-English
people would be to produce localized documentation for whatever API's
your interested in. It'll be difficult to keep up to date with
Apple's revisions, but way easier and more useful than forking the
code itself.
Fourth, renaming/localizing unix cli tools. Most of the common tools
aren't even using english names, just abbreviations of english words/
phrases that were used by CS grads 30 years ago, so learning them is
just as difficult for current english-speaking people that it is for
non-english-speakers (except perhaps for having more books in English
explaining the tools). The Unix standard's body is unlikely to be at
all receptive to renaming any of the existing tools, even to better
English names, let alone having localized names for tools, so you'll
have to do it with alias's or something like that, and you are free to
produce a script file to do this or create soft-links or wrapper tools
to call through to the original ones or to create a new tool that
duplicates some or all of the functionality of existing tools. If
anybody finds your work useful, they will use it. If lots and lots of
people find it useful, your work may even be picked up (depending on
how it's licensed) by Apple or any of the Linux/UNIX vendors.
But the work you have proposed on this list really doesn't seem (IMHO)
like something that will gain much adoption, outside of your home.
Eli
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