Re: esteban bodigami
Re: esteban bodigami
- Subject: Re: esteban bodigami
- From: Esteban Bodigami <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:44:45 -0600
2009/7/20 Eli Bach
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On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Esteban Bodigami wrote:
yeah, "shoot the messenger".
2009/7/20 Joel Reymont <email@hidden>
May I make voice a thought?
The less people are going to reply to the nonsense spewed by Esteban, the
more encouragement he's gonna have to discuss technical bits truly relevant
to the list.
First, the political messages are entirely inappropriate for this list.
i concur, sorry
Second, "messenger" implies that there is some group of people that you just being the front man for (either selected by them or self-selected).
Code-wise, English has become the de-facto "language" for programming in, particularly for open-source projects. Not American English. Not US Army English. Just English. It's not exclusive, but it certainly has the most widespread support.
this can change. italian and spanish are challenging english as de facto coding language. not just that; spanish is quite alive and latin america will recover first from this great recession 2.0
Third, there may be a couple of other people interested in your idea to fork the darwin code base to localize the code itself, they have to realize that these forks would dead before they start, simply because there is nobody running systems that could run programs coded against these forks.
While MacOS X is based on the code that Apple releases, you can't even recompile and use what Apple releases and have the GUI part of MacOS X still work on top of it.
You're best bet for doing something that will be usable by non-English people would be to produce localized documentation for whatever API's your interested in. It'll be difficult to keep up to date with Apple's revisions, but way easier and more useful than forking the code itself.
i concur, thanks for the wise technical advice.
Fourth, renaming/localizing unix cli tools. Most of the common tools aren't even using english names, just abbreviations of english words/phrases that were used by CS grads 30 years ago, so learning them is just as difficult for current english-speaking people that it is for non-english-speakers (except perhaps for having more books in English explaining the tools). The Unix standard's body is unlikely to be at all receptive to renaming any of the existing tools, even to better English names, let alone having localized names for tools, so you'll have to do it with alias's or something like that, and you are free to produce a script file to do this or create soft-links or wrapper tools to call through to the original ones or to create a new tool that duplicates some or all of the functionality of existing tools. If anybody finds your work useful, they will use it. If lots and lots of people find it useful, your work may even be picked up (depending on how it's licensed) by Apple or any of the Linux/UNIX vendors.
that's doable within 8 years from now, give or take 3 years.
But the work you have proposed on this list really doesn't seem (IMHO) like something that will gain much adoption, outside of your home.
Eli
a tri-lingual Simple User Interface that uses Open Standards and Free Software;
that is usable/workable and a live-cd installable on x86-64 and for which i ask only the TradeMark. With plans of OpenSPARC support and retaining PPC support... are you kidding?!
you haven't even SEEN the drafts for ideas for this project that has around 3 years on the making! I was about to burn all those drafts for interfaces because of personal frustration of not being able to EVEN finish Computer Science on the University of Costa Rica, not being able to PAY for the full courses of Product Design on the Veritas University due to the fact that i have never being employed by practically anyone other than my older brother. if I write here on this mailing list, is because i felt much, much more welcome than collaborating with the GIMP project as hacker of interfaces... because they WELCOME new hackers.
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Esteban G. Bodigami Vincenzi
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