RE: [Fed-Talk] Army AD and Macs: Not??
RE: [Fed-Talk] Army AD and Macs: Not??
- Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Army AD and Macs: Not??
- From: "Monahan, Jim (Contractor)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:52:04 -0500
Title: RE: [Fed-Talk] Army AD and Macs: Not??
I am a contracted network administrator for the Army.
I am being told this from my supervisory chain, who is hearing it from our Government bosses. I know the gov't bosses don't like the Macs, and have been looking for excuses to banish them; they may use this as a mechanism to do so.
Since I posted the original message, I searched ARMY DOIM and a few other sites and found memo TECHCON2003-005b, Update Desktop Software Standarization.pdf, date stamped 5 Nov 2004, compliance by 1 Oct 2006. It references 10.4 and clearly states CAC complaince can be handled via Virtual PC.
The above document also says Macs and Linux boxes do not comply with current standards because of CAC and NTLM issues (but the workarounds are there); The way I read it, NETCOM is not outright banning Macs, but leaving connectivity up to the local DOIM, if the Mac can be justified by a mission requirement or cost of changing it out for a Windows box.
The ESTA folks can get it on AKO, document 798438
Jim Monahan
Network Systems Engineer
RSI, Inc, A CIBER Company
Army Training Support Center
757-878-0194-v
757-875-4613-p
mailto:email@hidden
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hale [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Fed Talk
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Army AD and Macs: Not??
Jim,
Can you confirm who at NETCOM is providing this guidance? We are meeting with a senior representative from US Army Enterprise System Technical Activity (ESTA) this week to discuss CAC support for Entourage as well as the 2 AD issues - support for NTLMv2 (coming in
Tiger) and SMB signing (not planned but based on feedback from customers will be escalated within Apple).
On Nov 15, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Monahan, Jim (Contractor) wrote:
> Allcon,
>
> I am being told through chain, NETCOM, Ft Huackuka, has stated:
>
> 1. Macs (and Linux boxes) are not approved for access to the Army
> Active Directory network. Apparently, partially b/c of the NTLM level
> 3 vs level 5 authentication issue.
>
> 2. This is irrespective of Dave, AdmitMac, or 10.4s support of NTLM
> level 5
>
> 3. Virtual PC is not an option.
>
> 4. Macs may remain connected to the network NLT 31 Dec 2004.
>
> 5. Macs will not be allowed access to the network after 1 Jan 2005,
> and must have thier network wires disconnected.
>
> Anyone else out there heard this?
> I'm not privy to such notices, it flows downhill, and I'be been
> unable to either confirm or disprove the story.
>
> If you have any information, I would greatly appreciate a source :)
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
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