Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
- From: "Fletcher, Boyd C. CIV US USJFCOM JFL J9935" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:46:21 -0400
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] iPhone DVT Team Jailbreaks iPhone 3G
your email and some others gave the impression that unlocking was just to
screw apple/at&t and I disagreed with that.
I know unlocking is legal, however Congress should make the it illegal to
provide phones that can not be unlocked. in a ideal situation the vendor
could sell a locked phone at a subsidized price and an unlocked phone at a
different price. Currently with the iphone you have no choice in the US.
However you will in some parts of Europe so I suspect the market for
officially unlocked w/o contract phones from europe is going to be
significant which is probably good news for eBay.
The current approach of selling iphones is draconian and is not in the best
interest of consumers. Consumers should have a choice.
boyd
On 7/17/08 12:21 PM, "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden> wrote:
> You disagree with what? The fact that I said the iPhone 3G can and
> will be unlocked, and people can knock themselves out?
>
> What I had a problem with was people buying the previous iPhones under
> a pricing and sales structure that assumed they would be activated
> with an AT&T contract, when AT&T estimates that at the end, nearly
> half (!) of US iPhones sold were never activated on AT&T. We can argue
> rights and legalese all day, but the previous phone also "required" an
> AT&T contract.
>
> The practice of selling phones tied to a carrier for support of
> specific features and functionality, and using a contract subsidy to
> offset the costs of the hardware, is a very common one. In
> jurisdictions that currently require the phone to be sold without a
> contract and/or unlocked, the hardware is selling for nearly US$1000.
> (Then we can argue how much a company should be allowed to profit all
> day long...)
>
> Apple's desire to ensure that iPhone sales, features, and
> functionality provide a good user experience (initial launch issues
> notwithstanding) may outweigh individual concerns to have unlocked
> phones and use local SIMs internationally. Until then, it is not
> illegal to unlock handsets; nor is any vendor obligated to provide the
> capability.
>
> - Dave
>
> On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Boyd Fletcher wrote:
>
>> > I disagree. The ability to unlock the phone will be very useful for
>> > people
>> > who travel worldwide. AT&T costs outside the US are extremely high -
>> > several
>> > dollars per min in many locations. If you can unlock the phone, then
>> > you can
>> > use a different SIM (like prepaid SIMs) in those countries.
>> >
>> > I've always thought that was a primary benefit of being able to
>> > unlock the
>> > phone.
>> >
>> > The lack of a formal ability to unlock the iPhone is the primary
>> > reason I
>> > will never buy one. Hopefully, Congress will outlaw the practice of
>> > binding
>> > a phone to a cell phone vendor. Many countries in Europe already
>> > have laws
>> > in place that require phones to be sold unlocked (though the phone
>> > cost
>> > maybe higher if you want this capability).
>> >
>> >
>> > boyd
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/17/08 10:05 AM, "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden> wrote:
>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:46 AM, Timothy J Miller wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> This DOES NOT mean that the phone is unlocked. This is hardware
>>>>> >>>> related, and, frankly, the 3G hardware probably will be unlocked as
>>>>> >>>> well.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Incorrect tense:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/5876
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Now, a *software* SIM unlock--that's still days away. :)
>>> >>
>>> >> Unlocks that require hardware don't really count for most. ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >> But yes: the iPhone 3G, like every other GSM handset, will be
>>> >> unlocked.
>>> >>
>>> >> However, now it matters much less since every iPhone 3G leaving a
>>> >> store will either have:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. A full contract, or
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. An unsubsidized price (which, yes, is more than even the old
>>> >> iPhone
>>> >> pricing).
>>> >>
>>> >> This means that both Apple and the carrier don't get screwed, so
>>> >> people who still think they're somehow "pulling one over" on Apple by
>>> >> unlocking the iPhone 3G can knock themselves out.
>>> >>
>>> >> - Dave
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