Re: [Fed-Talk] Two Iphone Email Questions
Re: [Fed-Talk] Two Iphone Email Questions
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Two Iphone Email Questions
- From: "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:04:27 -0400
- Priority: normal
Ahem...I just want to clarify that my original thread was hijacked and that neither do I know how nor would I do anything inappropriate to my beloved Iphone before marriage. I just asked a simple question about email. (He said, nodding his head at the guy with the tethered Iphone somewhere else on the list...::Insert pointing and screaming from original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"::)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moore, Michael - McLean [USA]" <email@hidden>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009 16:56
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Two Iphone Email Questions
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Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>
> Here is one (of many) an easy ways to tell whether traffic is
> iPhone generated or from an full-size computer. HTTP USER-AGENT
> strings are sent as part of every web request and specify the
> browser and OS you are using. Go to IPChicken.com<http://IPChicken.com> on your phone and your laptop, and see the difference. You can spoof those strings, but most don't. Someone running a router (in this case, AT&T) can see this information trivially.
>
> There are differences between technical barriers and legal/ToS barriers. The bottom line here is to read your user agreement and follow it, no matter what the technology allows. Any other actions are taken at your own risk.
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 4:47 PM, "Pike, Michael (IHS/NPA)" <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>
>
> I beg to differ... the iPhone Configuration Utility is how it was accomplished, and that is supported by Apple... ATT says I have unlimited data on my iPhone... i'm not a bandwidth pig, like I said we did it for testing.
>
> Trust me, there is NO WAY under 3.0 or 3.01 ATT can tell if you are surfing through the iPhone or a tether. I could get into specifics as to why, but I won't... but on that note, 3.1 changed that.
>
> You can even take an ATT wireless network card, put your iPhone sim card in it and surf through a mobile connection card... ATT makes no changes from the iPhone to their regular remote APN.
>
> I have four iphones like I said.. this one will stay 3.01 forever unless ATT offers something comparable.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Schroeder [<mailto:email@hidden>mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent: Fri 9/11/2009 2:24 PM
> To: Paul Kwan
> Cc: Pike, Michael (IHS/NPA); Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-IS30); Joel Esler; <mailto:email@hidden> email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Two Iphone Email Questions
>
> This is not supported by Apple or AT&T, and is a violation of AT&T's
> terms of service (which has specific, discrete data plans for
> tethering).
>
> While it doesn't require *jailbreaking* the phone, it's still a hack,
> as it replaces the devices carrier file with an unsupported one to
> expose the tethering option.
>
> The reason why tethering plans cost more is that it's far easier to
> use significantly more data via a conventional computer than it is via
> a handset, even a smartphone. While the jaded among us might say it's
> just another way for a carrier to grab more money, AT&T has had
> incredible difficulties keeping up with even the network demands of
> the iPhone itself, which has been referred to by analysts as the
> "Hummer of smartphones", because of the fact that iPhone users use
> disproportionately more data services than other smartphone users.
> This is because the iPhone makes it so easy; similarly, iPhone
> tethering is ridiculously easy, and if it were "just enabled", AT&T's
> network would quickly collapse under the onslaught, and any network
> buildout to support such usage would result in unlimited data plans
> being far more than $30/mo.
>
> - Dave
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Paul Kwan wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I am interested in trying to get my iPhone to use tethering
> > without hacking it, can you provide us a link or the detail how one
> > can achieve this. Thanks for your help, I appreciated. Take care.
> >
> > PSK
> >
> >
> > On 9/11/09 [Sep 11] 8:26 AM, "Pike, Michael (IHS/NPA)" <mailto:email@hidden>email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I was able to enable tethering on 3.0 and 3.01 without hacking the
> >> phone (using the tethering ability built by apple)... it works
> >> flawlessly... for this very reason I will never upgrade, unless
> >> they return that ability. As an iPhone developer we have to test
> >> these things. It's not an easy thing to do, you have to build am
> >> mobileconfig, properly form the XML, etc... taking it out has
> >> stopped me from upgrading period.
> >>
> >> if ATT wants to regain some customer loyalty, they will give free
> >> tethering to iPhone users, I think we've earned it getting 4 years
> >> of terrible service.
> >>
> >> With that being said, September 20th ATT releases "the A List"..
> >> free calls to any 5 or 10 numbers without using minutes (ilke
> >> tmobile Myfav)... for those of us with googlevoice, this just
> >> became an unlimited phone plan.
> >>
> >> the problem is now I am stuck with tmobile on one of my phones and
> >> they originally told me i had 30 days to get out of the contract,
> >> now its 14 and i had had it 17 days....
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: fed-talk-bounces+michael.pike=email@hidden<mailto:fed-talk-bounces+michael.pike=email@hidden> on
> >> behalf of Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-IS30)
> >> Sent: Fri 9/11/2009 8:01 AM
> >> To: Joel Esler
> >> Cc: <mailto:email@hidden> email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
> >> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Two Iphone Email Questions
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Joel Esler wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC <mailto:email@hidden>email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > 1. The latest Iphone software update apparently screws up Exchange
> >> > email on Iphone 3G. Does this mean that ALL email (including
> >> native
> >> > Iphone email app) is screwed up and will be disabled so the upgrade
> >> > should be avoided for 3G Iphones or that it only affects the
> >> > Exchange email in Iphone 3G? And if it does screw up the entire
> >> > phone can the 3G be restored to the older software?
> >> >
> >> > What do you mean "it's screwed up"? I haven't seen any problems.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think by "screwed up" he means that 3.1 enforces the ActiveSync
> >> policy requiring device encryption. At least that's how I parse the
> >> description at
> >> <http://www.macworld.com/article/142737/2009/09/iphone31_exchange.html?lsrc=rss_main> http://www.macworld.com/article/142737/2009/09/iphone31_exchange.html?lsrc=rss_main
> >> toward the bottom of the article.
> >>
> >> Exchange 2007 SP1 included the option to require Exchange encryption.
> >> If that's on, only the 3GS will work with ActiveSync.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2. I've heard that there is a glitch in all Iphone software so
> >> that
> >> > email never really gets deleted from the phone (this seems to be
> >> > true in my testing). Is there a fix for that? (I almost typed "an
> >> > app for that"). Heh-heh.
> >> >
> >> > yes, 3.1 released Wednesday.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <
> >>
> >>
> >>
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