Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
- From: "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 07:07:48 -0400
Folks, please spell out your acronyms for we uninitiated. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
[mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden] On Behalf
Of Dave Schroeder
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:39 PM
To: Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50)
Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
Bryan,
Looks cool! Out of curiosity, why did you do your own MAM app? Had you
considered solutions like EASE and AirWatch?
- Dave
On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50) wrote:
> NASA is currently delivering several iOS and Android apps for internal
use. Currently we serve them from a website (http://apps.nasa.gov). One is
the apps@NASA apps that is an appstore for the internal apps. The apps
generally aren't useful unless you have NASA credentials once you have the
app.
>
> The are compiled with the NASA Enterprise license. If another agency
wanted to distribute an app, they could work with the developer to recompile
the code with that agency's cert, I'd think. Not sure how hard that would
all be. There would need to be some other changes to the code to make them
relevant, anyway (like changes in the authentication setup, at least, and
what servers are being accessed).
>
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Mike Pike wrote:
>
>> If that is an option that would be great... I cannot see apple giving up
control of an entire app store platform, but if so that's great!
>>
>> The new apple developer agreement states we can no longer advertise other
apps in our apps that are not our own apps... this will basically kill Admob
and other competitors to iAd (and in my opinion AdMob is much better for the
little people)... while not relevant to Federal at this point, who's to say
someday those draconian policies won't start affecting what we can develop
in house?
>>
>> I'm waiting for some enterprising state or the DOJ to file a complaint
with the FTC on a monopoly on apps stores with apple, following the same
precedence as Internet Explorer did with Microsoft.
>>
>> We should have the option to choose app stores (apple App store, Cydia,
other third parties). The app store itself is nothing more than a web
browser, and I think that with the IE/Microsoft and Windows Version N it
could be viable legal challenge.
>>
>> As iOS grows (if it continues to grow under its current leadership) it
will become more and more of a monopoly. The terms of the developer
agreement get more and more restrictive, and as you move into a space that
Apple wants to dominate, they will not allow your app on the phone (look at
new Google Search with Voice).
>>
>> the enterprise App store solution bypasses Apple's review process, but at
the same time limits who you can share apps with... but keep in mind Apple
can change the terms of that at any time.
>>
>> So lets say an agency has an app store, and another agency wants to use
their app, they cannot unless they are on that agency's private app store,
or you build an ADHOC app, which is limited to 100 devices per year.
>>
>> Google Android allows multiple App stores... but again, unless someone
from the DOJ or one of the states challenges the App Store monopoly and
makes the comparison of splitting browsers to operating systems it won't
change... Microsoft's WP7 and WP8 would also be a target, as they are
locking that OS down to a single store as well. Google would have to be the
one to push for this.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Loftin, Kathy (CONTR) wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that is now an option with Good; I just pinged our rep
to confirm and, if I am correct, to ask for more details.
>>>
>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>> 301 903 3654
>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Pike [mailto:email@hidden]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:49 AM
>>> To: Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
>>> Cc: Loftin, Kathy (CONTR); William Cerniuk; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV
>>> (US); email@hidden
>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
>>>
>>> I believe the app store is an enterprise app store via apple. I do not
think it's possible to have an app store that is not sponsored by Apple...
>>>
>>> If there is I would like to know as well :)
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kathy We're developing apps and have distributed some Ipads but I
>>>> didn't know it was possible to set up our own "store." Can you
>>>> give me a detailed walkthrough of how you do that using the Good
software??
>>>> (Either by responding to the list if there's interest or to me
>>>> personally?)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden]
>>>> On Behalf Of Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:07 AM
>>>> To: William Cerniuk
>>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS Chat
>>>> Box
>>>>
>>>> We're using the Apple Volume Purchasing Program for now (on GFEs).
>>>> If/when we allow BYOD, I imagine we'll probably do the same. The
>>>> Service Desk has an Apple ID they use to load and manage the software.
>>>> With BYOD, we will need to make sure we can delete any
>>>> government-purchased apps (thus freeing up the license for a different
user) while not wiping the entire device.
>>>>
>>>> We're using Good as our MDM. It lets us set up our own app store,
>>>> but since we don't have any internally developed apps at this time,
>>>> we aren't using that feature. The Good MDM does let us see all the
>>>> installed apps (even outside of the Good sandbox) and I believe
>>>> we'll be able to use it for the above-mentioned BYOD issue at some
>>>> point, to actually manage them; for now we haven't really explored
that.
>>>>
>>>> Just as an FYI, we don't have GFE Androids as yet. Again, if we
>>>> start allowing BYOD, I think we'll end up with quite a few of those.
>>>>
>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: William Cerniuk [mailto:email@hidden]
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:35 AM
>>>> To: Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)
>>>> Cc: Mike Pike; Joel Esler; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US);
>>>> email@hidden
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS Chat
>>>> Box
>>>>
>>>> Great info, thank you.
>>>>
>>>> How are you handling software? Has the organization figured out an
>>>> efficient way to provide software that the organization needs users
>>>> to have on their BYODs?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> R/Wm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, "Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)"
>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have about 400 GFE iPads - out of an 8000 customer base in my
>>>> organization. Lots of people are starting to use them instead of
>>>> Blackberries. If we ever start allowing BYOD, I imagine this number
will
>>>> grow quite a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+kathy.loftin=email@hidden
>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+kathy.loftin=email@hidden]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Mike Pike
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:03 PM
>>>>> To: Joel Esler
>>>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>
>>>>> If you keep it to just federal equipment iOS will be almost
>>>>> eliminated
>>>> from discussion and the number of macs shrink exponentially by the
month.
>>>>>
>>>>> The list will die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a federal related question:
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people have a government provided iOS device? I have an
>>>>> iOS
>>>> device on government networks but its personally owned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Joel Esler <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's outside the charter, then it should stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I've been participating in some of it lately, and I'll stop.
>>>> Hopefully people will follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Taylor Armstrong
>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For what it is worth, I'm 100% in agreement with Matthew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm on multiple mailing lists, forums, etc. This is where I go
>>>>>>> to look for things that apply to the Federal workspace, but at
>>>>>>> leas
>>>>>>> 1/2 the traffic in recent months seems to be little different
>>>>>>> from the traffic on any number of Apple user forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, we all need to see/discuss things, but if we're talking
>>>>>>> about our personal equipment, etc., then let's talk about it
somewhere else.
>>>>>>> The signal/noise ration in the FedTalk forum has gotten worse
>>>>>>> recently - there are TONS of great resources for general OS X
>>>>>>> and/or iOS discussion, but this is one of, if not the ONLY one
>>>>>>> that should be dealing specifically with Federal .gov
>>>>>>> implications - FISMA, encryption, policies, CIS Benchmarks, etc
>>>>>>> etc. Wading through discussions of personal experiences on
>>>>>>> non-govermnent owned equipment makes it harder to find the relevant
topics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 1/50th of $1...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes, I CAN hit delete... but should I have to? Those
>>>>>>> topics are outside of the charter of this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taylor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA
>>>>>>> TRADOC <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Exactly, Mr Sullivan. And that is exactly why we need to be
>>>>>>>> discussing these things on the list NOW, before a General
>>>>>>>> Officer sees the shiny new iThingy and says he wants one for
>>>>>>>> official business. These devices and the software they use are
>>>>>>>> "disruptive innovation." It's not enough to wait until they
>>>>>>>> hit the supply chain. We must know BEFORE then. And the only
>>>>>>>> way to tell for ourselves whether the various reports are true
>>>>>>>> or not are to use them ourselves before the General gets one.
>>>>>>>> And the only way we can do that is to use our own personal
>>>>>>>> experiences since the DoD is on the verge of Bring Your Own Device.
(Which is best? Why or why not?
>>>>>>>> Which provider has provisos we can't use in DoD? Which is a
>>>>>>>> better vendor? What are the limitations of the software,
>>>>>>>> device,
>>>>>>>> network?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The discussions are important not for the moment for official
>>>>>>>> use but in the very near future as we advise the command and
>>>>>>>> protect
>>>> Soldiers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>>>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden.c
>>>>>>>> om] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>>>> To: email@hidden
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS Chat
>>>>>>>> Box
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't Fed-Talk for actual important information like how to
>>>>>>>> make things work and support each other with Mac, iOS issues
>>>>>>>> where actual FED work is involved. There are hundreds of other
>>>>>>>> more appropriate venues to banter about how awesome or useless
>>>>>>>> the new iPhone is or how awesome or useless the new iOS Maps are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matthew Sullivan
>>>>>>>>
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