[Fed-Talk] Someone Trying to Unsubscribe Me?
[Fed-Talk] Someone Trying to Unsubscribe Me?
- Subject: [Fed-Talk] Someone Trying to Unsubscribe Me?
- From: "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:26:42 -0400
So apparently someone is trying to unsubscribe me from the list? It's not me
and it's not Halloween yet for ghosts to do it...sooooo???
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus, Allan B [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:56 PM
To: Villano, Paul A CIV USARMY TRADOC (US); 'Dave Schroeder'; Walls, Bryan
K. (MSFC-EO50)
Cc: Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US); email@hidden
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
OK.
Sorry, Okay.
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Thanks,
Allan Marcus
505-667-5666
email@hidden
On 10/3/12 5:07 AM, "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC"
<email@hidden> wrote:
>Folks, please spell out your acronyms for we uninitiated. :)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>[mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden] On
>Behalf Of Dave Schroeder
>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:39 PM
>To: Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50)
>Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
>
>Bryan,
>
>Looks cool! Out of curiosity, why did you do your own MAM app? Had you
>considered solutions like EASE and AirWatch?
>
>- Dave
>
>On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Walls, Bryan K. (MSFC-EO50) wrote:
>
>> NASA is currently delivering several iOS and Android apps for
>> internal
>use. Currently we serve them from a website (http://apps.nasa.gov). One
>is the apps@NASA apps that is an appstore for the internal apps. The
>apps generally aren't useful unless you have NASA credentials once you
>have the app.
>>
>> The are compiled with the NASA Enterprise license. If another agency
>wanted to distribute an app, they could work with the developer to
>recompile the code with that agency's cert, I'd think. Not sure how
>hard that would all be. There would need to be some other changes to
>the code to make them relevant, anyway (like changes in the
>authentication setup, at least, and what servers are being accessed).
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Mike Pike wrote:
>>
>>> If that is an option that would be great... I cannot see apple
>>>giving up
>control of an entire app store platform, but if so that's great!
>>>
>>> The new apple developer agreement states we can no longer advertise
>>>other
>apps in our apps that are not our own apps... this will basically kill
>Admob and other competitors to iAd (and in my opinion AdMob is much
>better for the little people)... while not relevant to Federal at this
>point, who's to say someday those draconian policies won't start
>affecting what we can develop in house?
>>>
>>> I'm waiting for some enterprising state or the DOJ to file a
>>> complaint
>with the FTC on a monopoly on apps stores with apple, following the
>same precedence as Internet Explorer did with Microsoft.
>>>
>>> We should have the option to choose app stores (apple App store,
>>> Cydia,
>other third parties). The app store itself is nothing more than a web
>browser, and I think that with the IE/Microsoft and Windows Version N
>it could be viable legal challenge.
>>>
>>> As iOS grows (if it continues to grow under its current leadership)
>>> it
>will become more and more of a monopoly. The terms of the developer
>agreement get more and more restrictive, and as you move into a space
>that Apple wants to dominate, they will not allow your app on the phone
>(look at new Google Search with Voice).
>>>
>>> the enterprise App store solution bypasses Apple's review process,
>>>but at
>the same time limits who you can share apps with... but keep in mind
>Apple can change the terms of that at any time.
>>>
>>> So lets say an agency has an app store, and another agency wants to
>>> use
>their app, they cannot unless they are on that agency's private app
>store, or you build an ADHOC app, which is limited to 100 devices per year.
>>>
>>> Google Android allows multiple App stores... but again, unless
>>> someone
>from the DOJ or one of the states challenges the App Store monopoly and
>makes the comparison of splitting browsers to operating systems it
>won't change... Microsoft's WP7 and WP8 would also be a target, as they
>are locking that OS down to a single store as well. Google would have
>to be the one to push for this.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Loftin, Kathy (CONTR) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure that is now an option with Good; I just pinged our
>>>> rep
>to confirm and, if I am correct, to ask for more details.
>>>>
>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Pike [mailto:email@hidden]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:49 AM
>>>> To: Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
>>>> Cc: Loftin, Kathy (CONTR); William Cerniuk; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV
>>>> (US); email@hidden
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Good App & Organization App Stores
>>>>
>>>> I believe the app store is an enterprise app store via apple. I do
>>>>not
>think it's possible to have an app store that is not sponsored by Apple...
>>>>
>>>> If there is I would like to know as well :)
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kathy We're developing apps and have distributed some Ipads but I
>>>>> didn't know it was possible to set up our own "store." Can you
>>>>> give me a detailed walkthrough of how you do that using the Good
>software??
>>>>> (Either by responding to the list if there's interest or to me
>>>>> personally?)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:07 AM
>>>>> To: William Cerniuk
>>>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>
>>>>> We're using the Apple Volume Purchasing Program for now (on GFEs).
>>>>> If/when we allow BYOD, I imagine we'll probably do the same. The
>>>>>Service Desk has an Apple ID they use to load and manage the
>>>>>software.
>>>>> With BYOD, we will need to make sure we can delete any
>>>>>government-purchased apps (thus freeing up the license for a
>>>>>different
>user) while not wiping the entire device.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're using Good as our MDM. It lets us set up our own app store,
>>>>> but since we don't have any internally developed apps at this
>>>>> time, we aren't using that feature. The Good MDM does let us see
>>>>> all the installed apps (even outside of the Good sandbox) and I
>>>>> believe we'll be able to use it for the above-mentioned BYOD issue
>>>>> at some point, to actually manage them; for now we haven't really
>>>>> explored
>that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as an FYI, we don't have GFE Androids as yet. Again, if we
>>>>> start allowing BYOD, I think we'll end up with quite a few of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy
>>>>> ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: William Cerniuk [mailto:email@hidden]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:35 AM
>>>>> To: Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)
>>>>> Cc: Mike Pike; Joel Esler; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US);
>>>>> email@hidden
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>
>>>>> Great info, thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you handling software? Has the organization figured out
>>>>> an efficient way to provide software that the organization needs
>>>>> users to have on their BYODs?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> R/Wm.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, "Loftin, Kathy (CONTR)"
>>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have about 400 GFE iPads - out of an 8000 customer base in my
>>>>> organization. Lots of people are starting to use them instead of
>>>>> Blackberries. If we ever start allowing BYOD, I imagine this number
>will
>>>>> grow quite a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kathy Loftin, PMP
>>>>>> DOE OCIO Tech. Integration and Engineering
>>>>>> 301 903 3654
>>>>>> Contractor to the Dept. of Energy ActioNet, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+kathy.loftin=email@hidden
>>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+kathy.loftin=email@hidden]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mike Pike
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:03 PM
>>>>>> To: Joel Esler
>>>>>> Cc: email@hidden; Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you keep it to just federal equipment iOS will be almost
>>>>>> eliminated
>>>>> from discussion and the number of macs shrink exponentially by the
>month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The list will die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a federal related question:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many people have a government provided iOS device? I have an
>>>>>> iOS
>>>>> device on government networks but its personally owned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Joel Esler <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it's outside the charter, then it should stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know I've been participating in some of it lately, and I'll stop.
>>>>> Hopefully people will follow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Taylor Armstrong
>>>>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For what it is worth, I'm 100% in agreement with Matthew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm on multiple mailing lists, forums, etc. This is where I go
>>>>>>>> to look for things that apply to the Federal workspace, but at
>>>>>>>> leas
>>>>>>>> 1/2 the traffic in recent months seems to be little different
>>>>>>>> from the traffic on any number of Apple user forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, we all need to see/discuss things, but if we're talking
>>>>>>>> about our personal equipment, etc., then let's talk about it
>somewhere else.
>>>>>>>> The signal/noise ration in the FedTalk forum has gotten worse
>>>>>>>>recently - there are TONS of great resources for general OS X
>>>>>>>>and/or iOS discussion, but this is one of, if not the ONLY one
>>>>>>>>that should be dealing specifically with Federal .gov
>>>>>>>>implications - FISMA, encryption, policies, CIS Benchmarks, etc
>>>>>>>>etc. Wading through discussions of personal experiences on
>>>>>>>>non-govermnent owned equipment makes it harder to find the
>>>>>>>>relevant
>topics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my 1/50th of $1...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, I CAN hit delete... but should I have to? Those
>>>>>>>> topics are outside of the charter of this list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taylor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA
>>>>>>>> TRADOC <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Exactly, Mr Sullivan. And that is exactly why we need to be
>>>>>>>>>discussing these things on the list NOW, before a General
>>>>>>>>>Officer sees the shiny new iThingy and says he wants one for
>>>>>>>>>official business. These devices and the software they use are
>>>>>>>>>"disruptive innovation." It's not enough to wait until they
>>>>>>>>>hit the supply chain. We must know BEFORE then. And the only
>>>>>>>>>way to tell for ourselves whether the various reports are true
>>>>>>>>>or not are to use them ourselves before the General gets one.
>>>>>>>>> And the only way we can do that is to use our own personal
>>>>>>>>>experiences since the DoD is on the verge of Bring Your Own
>>>>>>>>>Device.
>(Which is best? Why or why not?
>>>>>>>>> Which provider has provisos we can't use in DoD? Which is a
>>>>>>>>> better vendor? What are the limitations of the software,
>>>>>>>>> device,
>>>>>>>>> network?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The discussions are important not for the moment for official
>>>>>>>>> use but in the very near future as we advise the command and
>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>> Soldiers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden.
>>>>>>>>> c om] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Matthew R CIV (US)
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: email@hidden
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Fed-Talk] When did Fed-Talk turn into iPhone/iOS
>>>>>>>>> Chat Box
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't Fed-Talk for actual important information like how to
>>>>>>>>> make things work and support each other with Mac, iOS issues
>>>>>>>>> where actual FED work is involved. There are hundreds of other
>>>>>>>>> more appropriate venues to banter about how awesome or useless
>>>>>>>>> the new iPhone is or how awesome or useless the new iOS Maps are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matthew Sullivan
>>>>>>>>>
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