Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
- From: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:30:08 +0000
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
There are VERY FEW (and I mean one or two apps) that have had 12 million downloads. The 365M iOS devices go all the back to the first gen iPhone... APN didn’t come out until iOS4, and who is to say the tracking didn't start recently...
I’m not accusing apple of anything... I’m just saying there are a very select few (Apple being the biggest) that could product that volume of information.
By my counts I believe it is Apple, FaceBook, Twitter, Rovio... I believe those are the only people who have over 12 million downloads of their app on unique devices. But I could be wrong.
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From: Dave Schroeder
Sent: September 4, 2012 2:22 PM
To: Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)
CC: email@hidden, Fed Talk
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
Really?
So there have been 365M iOS devices sold, but Apple has given incomplete information (e.g., many of the UDIDs are missing the additional data) on 12M devices, and then AntiSec releases 1M of them?
...and this leads you to believe that Apple must obviously have directly provided the FBI with these UDIDs -- for what reason, again, exactly, when agencies can already track phones via GPS without warrants?
- DAVE
On Sep 4, 2012, at 3:15 PM, "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden> wrote:
> I tend to agree with Jeff... the mind blowing volume of information (12 million) and the information tied to it had to come from them.
>
> I do not believe there is anyone who has ever sold that many apps (which would be required to gather this information), other than Facebook...
>
> Hmmm, well maybe it was Apple, or maybe it was FaceBook.
>
> FaceBook uses the APN tokens, has access to a lot of personal information, and there was an exploit found in the facebook software a few months ago that allowed easy cloning of the auth token.
>
> And Apple and FaceBook have a new loving relationship since Steve Jobs left us...
> Hmmmmm....
>
> I’m such a conspiracy theorist!
>
> Now only if I could somehow mention the NSA to tick off the list members... hmmmm (just kidding).
>
> Mike
>
>
> Sent from Windows 8 Mail
>
> From: Jeffrey Walton
> Sent: September 4, 2012 1:53 PM
> To: Dave Schroeder
> CC: Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ), Fed Talk
> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Jeffrey Walton <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>
> If I had to speculate, I would guess the FBI likely got its
> information directly from Apple. Apple has obscene License Agreements
> and Terms of Service, and are free to do whatever they want with your
> data (IMEIs, IMSI, UDIDs, or even data in their iCloud). I know
> lawyers who are emphatical about keeping corporate data on a device -
> and off of iTunes Backup and iCloud. Apple takes no repsonsibility for
> reputational or financial loss, and has no requirement to make an
> individual or entity whole. But again, its all speculation and we will
> probably never know the answers to some questions.
>
> Jeff
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