Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
- From: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:54:48 +0000
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
I downloaded it but haven't checked my UDIDs... I have a 15 minute break coming up and will put up a site that will tell you quickly if your UDID was in there... just got whip out the PHP and stick it on a server. (notice I said on a break, so I will go out to a parking lot, so it from my personal MBPro and launch the site). It’s quit a simple PHP/MySQL query.
I know nextweb did one, but, they are a huge public site, and I know I wont log UDIDs...
Mike
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From: William Cerniuk
Sent: September 4, 2012 2:51 PM
To: Dave Schroeder
CC: Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ), Fed Talk
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
Dave, 3% of the total puts that into perspective.
3% or 12M sounds like the sales of a couple of neat apps (hmm, did the FBI publish any ahem-games?). 3% sounds more like a data comms tapping exercise than some partnership.
Given the conversation about privacy (and other related myths), I have to wonder how may here have those grocery cards or CostCo cards that profile your every purchase. How much data does your credit card company hold? That old adage, "you are what you eat" doubly applies to "you are what you purchase". It is interesting we get more upset with the federal government than with marketing people who have a vested interest and are very skilled in violating our privacy :-) And don't get me going on spam emails! :-)
Anyone download this list and search for your known device UDIDs?
--
R/Wm.
On Sep 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden> wrote:
> Really?
>
> So there have been 365M iOS devices sold, but Apple has given incomplete information (e.g., many of the UDIDs are missing the additional data) on 12M devices, and then AntiSec releases 1M of them?
>
> ...and this leads you to believe that Apple must obviously have directly provided the FBI with these UDIDs -- for what reason, again, exactly, when agencies can already track phones via GPS without warrants?
>
> - DAVE
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 3:15 PM, "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> I tend to agree with Jeff... the mind blowing volume of information (12 million) and the information tied to it had to come from them.
>>
>> I do not believe there is anyone who has ever sold that many apps (which would be required to gather this information), other than Facebook...
>>
>> Hmmm, well maybe it was Apple, or maybe it was FaceBook.
>>
>> FaceBook uses the APN tokens, has access to a lot of personal information, and there was an exploit found in the facebook software a few months ago that allowed easy cloning of the auth token.
>>
>> And Apple and FaceBook have a new loving relationship since Steve Jobs left us...
>> Hmmmmm....
>>
>> I’m such a conspiracy theorist!
>>
>> Now only if I could somehow mention the NSA to tick off the list members... hmmmm (just kidding).
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Sent from Windows 8 Mail
>>
>> From: Jeffrey Walton
>> Sent: September 4, 2012 1:53 PM
>> To: Dave Schroeder
>> CC: Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ), Fed Talk
>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Jeffrey Walton <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If I had to speculate, I would guess the FBI likely got its
>> information directly from Apple. Apple has obscene License Agreements
>> and Terms of Service, and are free to do whatever they want with your
>> data (IMEIs, IMSI, UDIDs, or even data in their iCloud). I know
>> lawyers who are emphatical about keeping corporate data on a device -
>> and off of iTunes Backup and iCloud. Apple takes no repsonsibility for
>> reputational or financial loss, and has no requirement to make an
>> individual or entity whole. But again, its all speculation and we will
>> probably never know the answers to some questions.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
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