Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
- From: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:42:02 +0000
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
I admire your defense of Apple.. but mind you the information that we have based on the leak is only a subset (and it was filtered by the group) of what is available.
There are purported usernames, emails, email addresses, passwords, physical addresses and more.
I don’t think it’s an exercise... and if it is, they are using real UDID information. I’ve already had two people tell me their UDID was in that list. Pretty scary...
If it was used for training, they had to get the information somewhere.
I’m not so much concerned the FBI has it... I personally don’t feel they are the enemy and they have to do what they have to do to protect us... Hell I am dedicated federal employee, and I know there are places in life I don’t want to know about.
I’m more concerned that possibly Apple forked over information, and how much more goes to other places that maybe aren’t our own government?
12 million devices... that is no “pick a few people for training” that's a dump of information, in mass quantity. In a CSV none the less, meant to be sorted, searched and stored.
mike
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From: Dave Schroeder
Sent: September 4, 2012 6:26 PM
To: William Cerniuk
CC: Fed Talk
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Whoa Nelly
Or, equally likely, AntiSec wants to shame this agent -- for the "lulz" -- just like they did with Gawker:
http://gawker.com/5940444/here-is-a-picture-of-a-gawker-writer-wearing-a-tutu-with-a-shoe-on-his-head
Let's say this file was on this particular agent's laptop, and his laptop was indeed owned by a Java 0day:
It's more plausible that this file was used for iOS forensics training, or was itself part of an investigation, than there is some sinister "partnership" between Apple and "The Man" wherein Apple provides incomplete device and customer data for a subset of iOS devices to the FBI to enable them to do -- what, again, exactly?
- Dave
On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:12 PM, William Cerniuk <email@hidden> wrote:
> "No Evidence" Hmm, can't find the proverbial body?
>
> I am not a tinfoil hat man but I will point out that the statement does not say "we do not have nor ever did have such data" or similar.
>
> Perhaps it was not a laptop but rather an FBI desktop. Or could this have instead been a personal personal laptop belonging to an FBI agent who was doing a little extra curricular activity? Perhaps a compromised laptop in the possession of the FBI that was taken from a iOS app developer in a raid?
>
> Fun to speculate. Reads like a Mickey Spillane novel. Now if only the FBI agent's name was "Mike Hammer" <grin>
>
> --
> Best,
> Wm. Cerniuk
>
> Ph: 703.594.7616
>
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Todd Heberlein <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Another data point:
>>
>> FBI Says AntiSec Hackers Lied About List of iPhone ID Numbers
>> http://allthingsd.com/20120904/fbi-says-antisec-hackers-lied-about-list-of-iphone-id-numbers/
>>
>>> The FBI is aware of published reports alleging that an FBI laptop was compromised and private data regarding Apple UDIDs was exposed. At this time there is no evidence indicating that an FBI laptop was compromised or that the FBI either sought or obtained this data.
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
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