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Re: [Fed-Talk] Iphone 5 is a Fizzle with no Sizzle
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Re: [Fed-Talk] Iphone 5 is a Fizzle with no Sizzle

  • Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Iphone 5 is a Fizzle with no Sizzle
  • From: Taylor Armstrong <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:52:07 -0400
What does any of this discussion have to do with "Fed" business?  I see mostly talk of personal purchases...  anyone want to bring it back on topic with discussion of iOS 6 and/or iPhone 5 hardware and how it affects Federal Government usage?  

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:33 AM, William Cerniuk <email@hidden> wrote:
I've heard ObjC described many ways (most all highly positive) but in the context of "security", it doesn't make much  sense."C" same thing.  It is as if someone describes a pallet of bricks and a bag of mortar as insecure. It all depends on the thing being built with the raw materials.

Now related to Cocoa class libraries (frameworks) or in Windows DLLs and batch files and the like, a different matter. Those are prefab rooms flown in and placed on the construction.

--
R/Wm.


On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jeffrey Walton <email@hidden> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Marcus, Allan B <email@hidden> wrote:
>> My son (age 20) is a computer nerd and CS major at Arizona U. he's had
>> macs all his life (when he was born, I was working at Apple in Cupertino
>> :-). Like many, he experimented in high school and now in college. In his
>> case this means he's running Linux, Windows, Mac, and using an Android
>> phone.
>>
>> He has built a monster tower system himself for his desktop. On it he
>> runs:...
>>
>> For gaming, Windows is needed.
>> For getting his CS work done, Linux is needed.
>> For his phone, he chose Android, mainly so he could hack into it, and he
>> doesn't believe in paying Apple to develop software. Every time he sees my
>> iPhone he marvels how smooth the scrolling it, or how efficient and
>> consistent it is. He also likes that he can customize his Android to his
>> little heart's delight.
>> For his laptop he's tried a number of WinTel devices, but last winter
>> break he say something I will never forget as he was researching a
>> replacement for his i7 quadcore lenovo that is just to big for him. As he
>> struggled comparing prices, features, and to my surprise, aesthetics, he
>> finally settled on a MacBook Air. His reasoning? And I quote here:
>>
>> "You'd have to be an idiot to get a Mac. But you'd have to be an idiot not
>> to get a Mac!"
>>
>> OK, so how does thta help you iPhone vs Android decision? If you are used
>> to the elegant, thoughtful, and easy to use Mac or iOS operating systems,
>> you may find the Android (like Windows) will get the job done, but it will
>> not be a pleasure to use.
>>
>> To paraphrase, "Once you go Mac, you never go back!"
>>
>> On a side note, Ryan needed to convert a huge project to C. After Ryan
>> learned Objective C (on linux), he feels Objective C is the best
>> programming language he's ever used.
> NSZombieEnabled="YES" may change that ;)
>
> Objective C is introspective, and its hard to secure (just like Java
> and C#). I'm still trying to figure out what constitutes "due
> diligence" (executable hardening( in case the environment turns toxic:
> "Cocoa and CocoaTouch: how to defeat framework injections?",
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12287686/cocoa-and-cocoatouch-how-to-defeat-framework-injections
>
> Jeff
>
>> On 9/12/12 12:40 PM, "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC"
>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> Same thing, only that they tried even less hard to mimic the competition.
>>> :)  I guess the biggie is that I am desperate to jump ship from AT&T to
>>> Verizon and was waiting for this to convince me.  Does the phone I have
>>> now (4) have a retina display? I don't think so. So if it makes a
>>> difference for my low vision that might do it.  But Android is looking
>>> better and better.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Moore, Dallas T." <email@hidden>
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 14:24
>>> Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Iphone 5 is a Fizzle with no Sizzle
>>> To: "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@hidden>,
>>> "Miller, Timothy J." <email@hidden>
>>> Cc: "<email@hidden>" <email@hidden>
>>>
>>>> What would you have said if the screen size stayed the same, the
>>>> 30-pin dock connector wasn't replaced, and the LTE radio was left out?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+dallas.t.moore=email@hidden
>>>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+dallas.t.moore=email@hidden]
>>>> On Behalf Of Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:42 PM
>>>> To: Miller, Timothy J.
>>>> Cc: <
>>>> Subject: [Fed-Talk] Iphone 5 is a Fizzle with no Sizzle
>>>>
>>>> Really?  You make me buy all new software, all new cables, and you give
>>>> me 1/2 an inch of screen to catch up to all of the other (much older)
>>>> phones out there?  I think you've disappointed me for the last time,
>>>> Apple.
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 >Re: [Fed-Talk] Iphone 5 is a Fizzle with no Sizzle (From: "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC" <email@hidden>)
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