Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
- From: "Miller, Timothy J." <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:36:40 +0000
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
All well and good, but Samsung (and most Android OEMs) *never updates either*. If it wasn't for xda-devs I'd still be on 2.2 on my Gal S.
Recall this?
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
-- T
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fed-talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden [mailto:fed-talk-
>bounces+tmiller=email@hidden] On Behalf Of Mike Pike
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:16 PM
>To: Dave Schroeder
>Cc: email@hidden
>Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
>
>It's ingenious marketing under apple. Siri will work on everything back to the
>3GS but apple makes people upgrade.
>
>Same with MMS when it came out.
>
>I think Samsung is making fun of the fact even though these devices can do
>things, apple deprives the end user and makes them upgrade.
>
>I've been at every launch and I praise apple, as well as bad mouth on a case by
>case basis.
>
>iOS 6 is lackluster, and the iPhone 5, while nicer on the inside and out is little
>more than a 4S with a larger screen.
>
>Panoramic camera apps work on the 4S just fine.
>
>Having said that I am the hypocrite that has an iPhone 5. I got mine in the mail
>but STILL went to our apple store the night before release to talk to people in
>the line for an hour or so. (Plus I am somewhat of a local celebrity here for my
>apps and its cool to see and talk to users who love the iPhone).
>
>If I had not been so entwined with apple (movies, apps, music, the iTunes Eco
>system) I would probably choose the SIII over the iPhone. It does some pretty
>cool stuff. Watch the ad.
>
>Samsung makes great stuff (including the A6 in the iPhone 5 although apples
>design).
>
>If Lucy Koh grants apple's request to ban the SIII (even though it plainly is an
>innovation over iPhone and not a copy) then the world will be a less exciting
>place. The Samsung phones are the only true level competitor to apple in my
>opinion. And banning their product will hurt innovation.
>
>Sent from my iPhone 5
>
>On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Apple is not, and never (when it has been successful, anyway) has been,
>about who has the better specs, more features, etc. It's about the user
>experience. Samsung knows this, Google knows this, and every objective
>observer of the computing landscape knows this. Without Apple and the very
>specific and measured strategies Apple used to roll out the iPhone (single
>carrier, no "apps" at first, etc.), we would NOT have the smartphone
>ecosystem we do today, and all of those Android users would be using
>hopelessly locked down Treos, Nokias, or other utter garbage.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:16 AM, "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC"
><email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> I hate to say it but that latest Galaxy IIIS commercial with the Apple
>fanboys on line waiting for everything the GIIS folks were using already really
>hit a nerve. Too close to truth. (Although I hate to admit I'm the parents' age.)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>[mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden] On
>Behalf Of Mike Pike
>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:02 PM
>>> To: Blackmon, Jerry (NIH/NHGRI) [C]
>>> Cc: email@hidden
>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
>>>
>>> I don't think this situation is a matter of what would Steve do, but a matter
>of "don't ship substandard crap".
>>>
>>> The truth of the matter (in my opinion anyhow) is that this is the most
>lackluster iOS yet. But in Apple's defense, how much more can you improve?
>Now it comes down to interface elements because for the most part all high
>end phones do the same things in different ways.
>>>
>>> I saw a jail broke 4S on Saturday with an interface that blew my mind. The
>icons swirled on and off the screen. If apple allowed mainstream stuff like that
>on the phone without a hack they'd hands down be the best experience.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:29 PM, "Blackmon, Jerry (NIH/NHGRI) [C]"
><email@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>>> “Among his last advice he had for me, and for all of you, was to never ask
>what he would do. ‘Just do what’s right,’” Cook said. Jobs wanted Apple to
>avoid the trap that Walt Disney Co.
>(DIS)<http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/DIS:US> fell into after the death of
>its iconic founder, Cook said, where “everyone spent all their time thinking
>and talking about what Walt would do.”
>>>>
>>>> The man was a sage.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:17 PM, "Mike Pike"
><email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone is saying Steve Jobs would not have eventually
>moved to Maps, but he definitely wouldn't have let it ship in this way...
>>>>
>>>> He would have waited for it to be perfected... probably leaving Google on
>there.
>>>>
>>>> If Apple really wanted turn by turn directions, there are quite a few that
>do a GREAT job... my personal favorite is MotionX - and the variety of
>personalities you can use for the voice.
>>>>
>>>> I am quite sure any of the GPS companies would sell themselves to Apple
>for a song compared to the nightmare Apple is now undergoing because of
>the Maps app.
>>>>
>>>> We have news stations saying to avoid it for now... although, as someone
>said, there are other turn by turn apps out there. Personally, I NEVER used
>Google Maps.. I paid $10 for a year of turn by turn to MotionX...
>>>>
>>>> Now I have Maps... and in our market, if I had followed it's directions to
>my house I would have ended up in a ditch about a block away from my house
>(which will probably be the next Samsung ad)...
>>>>
>>>> Siri, while not perfect, is DAMN good.. It is the best AI I have "seen"...
>although I do not own a new Android device to see how far Google has come.
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly certain Steve would not have let this ship... and a lot of people
>probably would have been fired...
>>>>
>>>> Even the demo shown with Maps were mockups but represented as life
>like.
>>>>
>>>> In regards to MobileMe.... MobileMe if you think about it was really
>cool... it was just handled wrong...
>>>>
>>>> For those of you who do not know, MobileMe was CONTRACTED out to
>third party developers. I actually knew one - didn't even work for Apple but
>developed the entire web interface we saw.... I'm sure on a small scale
>MobileMe worked great when Steve approved it - after it went south is
>probably the start of iCloud...
>>>>
>>>> And in closing, Apple didn't even want to start from scratch with iCloud...
>Steve Jobs personally met with the founder of DropBox and asked him to join
>Apple... DropBox guy said no... Steve said, "we are going to compete with you
>and win."
>>>>
>>>> So far that hasn't happened... I've lost more data in iCloud documents
>than DropBox has users... DropBox works perfect... followed by SkyDrive (in
>my usage anyhow).
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Rowe, Walter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In case no one took the opportunity to actually read the link I sent, the
>past paragraph said Jobs would have made this move too. Apple wants turn-
>by-turn navigation and Google won't license it via the API. That is a
>differentiator for Android vs iOS since Google owns Android. Given that Apple
>could not get Google to license turn-by-turn navigation, Apple had to go their
>own way eventually in order to get that feature and compete with Android.
>>>>
>>>> One not-so-secret reason Apple built its own Maps for iOS
>>>> 6<http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/23/one-not-so-secret-reason-apple-
>built-
>>>> its-own-maps-for-ios-6-tal/>
>>>>
>>>> Walter
>>>> --
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>>>> Enterprise Systems / OISM
>>>> Email: email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
>>>> Work: 301-975-2885
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 2:13 PM, "Marcus, Allan B"
><email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You do have a choice. There are a number of free and commercial map
>>>> programs you can get for iOS.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Allan Marcus
>>>> 505-667-5666
>>>> email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/12 10:44 AM, "Mike Pike"
><email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't have been released under Steve Jobs's watch.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a maps users but wow.... They should have given a choice.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
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