Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
- From: Mike Pike <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:45:31 -0600
I agree the upgrade process on android blows.
The only up to date phones I know of are the nexus branded ones (because google manages them).
I think the S3 is updated regularly though. I cannot say for sure as I don't own one. Samsung was the manufacturer of the nexus branded phones however.
Sent from my iPhone 5
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:36 PM, "Miller, Timothy J." <email@hidden> wrote:
> All well and good, but Samsung (and most Android OEMs) *never updates either*. If it wasn't for xda-devs I'd still be on 2.2 on my Gal S.
>
> Recall this?
>
> http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
>
> -- T
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fed-talk-bounces+tmiller=email@hidden [mailto:fed-talk-
>> bounces+tmiller=email@hidden] On Behalf Of Mike Pike
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:16 PM
>> To: Dave Schroeder
>> Cc: email@hidden
>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
>>
>> It's ingenious marketing under apple. Siri will work on everything back to the
>> 3GS but apple makes people upgrade.
>>
>> Same with MMS when it came out.
>>
>> I think Samsung is making fun of the fact even though these devices can do
>> things, apple deprives the end user and makes them upgrade.
>>
>> I've been at every launch and I praise apple, as well as bad mouth on a case by
>> case basis.
>>
>> iOS 6 is lackluster, and the iPhone 5, while nicer on the inside and out is little
>> more than a 4S with a larger screen.
>>
>> Panoramic camera apps work on the 4S just fine.
>>
>> Having said that I am the hypocrite that has an iPhone 5. I got mine in the mail
>> but STILL went to our apple store the night before release to talk to people in
>> the line for an hour or so. (Plus I am somewhat of a local celebrity here for my
>> apps and its cool to see and talk to users who love the iPhone).
>>
>> If I had not been so entwined with apple (movies, apps, music, the iTunes Eco
>> system) I would probably choose the SIII over the iPhone. It does some pretty
>> cool stuff. Watch the ad.
>>
>> Samsung makes great stuff (including the A6 in the iPhone 5 although apples
>> design).
>>
>> If Lucy Koh grants apple's request to ban the SIII (even though it plainly is an
>> innovation over iPhone and not a copy) then the world will be a less exciting
>> place. The Samsung phones are the only true level competitor to apple in my
>> opinion. And banning their product will hurt innovation.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> Apple is not, and never (when it has been successful, anyway) has been,
>> about who has the better specs, more features, etc. It's about the user
>> experience. Samsung knows this, Google knows this, and every objective
>> observer of the computing landscape knows this. Without Apple and the very
>> specific and measured strategies Apple used to roll out the iPhone (single
>> carrier, no "apps" at first, etc.), we would NOT have the smartphone
>> ecosystem we do today, and all of those Android users would be using
>> hopelessly locked down Treos, Nokias, or other utter garbage.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:16 AM, "Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC"
>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hate to say it but that latest Galaxy IIIS commercial with the Apple
>> fanboys on line waiting for everything the GIIS folks were using already really
>> hit a nerve. Too close to truth. (Although I hate to admit I'm the parents' age.)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden
>> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.villano=email@hidden] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Pike
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:02 PM
>>>> To: Blackmon, Jerry (NIH/NHGRI) [C]
>>>> Cc: email@hidden
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
>>>>
>>>> I don't think this situation is a matter of what would Steve do, but a matter
>> of "don't ship substandard crap".
>>>>
>>>> The truth of the matter (in my opinion anyhow) is that this is the most
>> lackluster iOS yet. But in Apple's defense, how much more can you improve?
>> Now it comes down to interface elements because for the most part all high
>> end phones do the same things in different ways.
>>>>
>>>> I saw a jail broke 4S on Saturday with an interface that blew my mind. The
>> icons swirled on and off the screen. If apple allowed mainstream stuff like that
>> on the phone without a hack they'd hands down be the best experience.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:29 PM, "Blackmon, Jerry (NIH/NHGRI) [C]"
>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> “Among his last advice he had for me, and for all of you, was to never ask
>> what he would do. ‘Just do what’s right,’” Cook said. Jobs wanted Apple to
>> avoid the trap that Walt Disney Co.
>> (DIS)<http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/DIS:US> fell into after the death of
>> its iconic founder, Cook said, where “everyone spent all their time thinking
>> and talking about what Walt would do.”
>>>>>
>>>>> The man was a sage.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:17 PM, "Mike Pike"
>> <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think anyone is saying Steve Jobs would not have eventually
>> moved to Maps, but he definitely wouldn't have let it ship in this way...
>>>>>
>>>>> He would have waited for it to be perfected... probably leaving Google on
>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple really wanted turn by turn directions, there are quite a few that
>> do a GREAT job... my personal favorite is MotionX - and the variety of
>> personalities you can use for the voice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am quite sure any of the GPS companies would sell themselves to Apple
>> for a song compared to the nightmare Apple is now undergoing because of
>> the Maps app.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have news stations saying to avoid it for now... although, as someone
>> said, there are other turn by turn apps out there. Personally, I NEVER used
>> Google Maps.. I paid $10 for a year of turn by turn to MotionX...
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I have Maps... and in our market, if I had followed it's directions to
>> my house I would have ended up in a ditch about a block away from my house
>> (which will probably be the next Samsung ad)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Siri, while not perfect, is DAMN good.. It is the best AI I have "seen"...
>> although I do not own a new Android device to see how far Google has come.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm fairly certain Steve would not have let this ship... and a lot of people
>> probably would have been fired...
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the demo shown with Maps were mockups but represented as life
>> like.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to MobileMe.... MobileMe if you think about it was really
>> cool... it was just handled wrong...
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of you who do not know, MobileMe was CONTRACTED out to
>> third party developers. I actually knew one - didn't even work for Apple but
>> developed the entire web interface we saw.... I'm sure on a small scale
>> MobileMe worked great when Steve approved it - after it went south is
>> probably the start of iCloud...
>>>>>
>>>>> And in closing, Apple didn't even want to start from scratch with iCloud...
>> Steve Jobs personally met with the founder of DropBox and asked him to join
>> Apple... DropBox guy said no... Steve said, "we are going to compete with you
>> and win."
>>>>>
>>>>> So far that hasn't happened... I've lost more data in iCloud documents
>> than DropBox has users... DropBox works perfect... followed by SkyDrive (in
>> my usage anyhow).
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Rowe, Walter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In case no one took the opportunity to actually read the link I sent, the
>> past paragraph said Jobs would have made this move too. Apple wants turn-
>> by-turn navigation and Google won't license it via the API. That is a
>> differentiator for Android vs iOS since Google owns Android. Given that Apple
>> could not get Google to license turn-by-turn navigation, Apple had to go their
>> own way eventually in order to get that feature and compete with Android.
>>>>>
>>>>> One not-so-secret reason Apple built its own Maps for iOS
>>>>> 6<http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/23/one-not-so-secret-reason-apple-
>> built-
>>>>> its-own-maps-for-ios-6-tal/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Walter
>>>>> --
>>>>> Walter Rowe, Hosting Services
>>>>> Enterprise Systems / OISM
>>>>> Email: email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
>>>>> Work: 301-975-2885
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 2:13 PM, "Marcus, Allan B"
>> <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You do have a choice. There are a number of free and commercial map
>>>>> programs you can get for iOS.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Allan Marcus
>>>>> 505-667-5666
>>>>> email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/12 10:44 AM, "Mike Pike"
>> <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't have been released under Steve Jobs's watch.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a maps users but wow.... They should have given a choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
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