Re: [Fed-Talk] Best Alternative to Apple Mail that does S/MIME
Re: [Fed-Talk] Best Alternative to Apple Mail that does S/MIME
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Best Alternative to Apple Mail that does S/MIME
- From: "Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:36:08 +0000
- Thread-topic: [Fed-Talk] Best Alternative to Apple Mail that does S/MIME
On 4/24/17, 4:14 PM, "Henry B (Hank) Hotz, CISSP" <email@hidden> wrote:
This discussion wouldn’t be complete without mentioning Outlook.
Oh yes (or is it “Oy yes”? :).
Outlook - The Lord of Sith of Email Clients.
I gather its overall bugginess is less than Apple Mail? Or just w.r.t. S/MIME?
I’d say it’s overall less buggy.
My biggest peeve with the current/latest Outlook 2016:
- MS broke the inline quoting in HTML. Before you would place your cursor right after the text you’re responding to, hit return, and the vertical bar on the left would interrupt, allowing the etxt you type in response to the above sentence to stand out (i.e., replies were visually separated from the quotes they respond to). Now you still can type that way – but your text will look *exactly* like the quoted text. So visually it appears that the originator typed the text you’re entering. *Very* ugly.
- Calendar (though this isn’t email!) is clunkier now, and several features don’t work properly any more.
- Other than that I’d say I’m OK with Outlook. Nothing else in it irked me that bad so far. Perhaps Ridley can share more…?
My biggest peeve with the current Apple Mail - S/MIME screwed up badly:
- Cannot choose what certs to use.
- Cannot choose what algorithms to use.
- It’s a still toss whether it would or would not condescend to using your cert for signing (though I concede that this became better).
- Received email that’s encrypted *and* signed will be displayed as “Encrypted” (not “Signed”) on El Capitan, and as “Signed” (not “Encrypted”) on Sierra.
- ECDSA does not work any more (it used to in El Capitan!).
- Inserted images get scaled down without your permission/approval. I emailed a couple of screenshots, only to be informed that they got shrunk (shrinked () so much that the depicted text became 100% unreadable. Thanks a lot, Apple!
- Probably something else, but can’t recall off-hand. ;-)
Personal opinion: I hate having my UI cluttered up with calendar, phone book,
todo list, and reminder stuff I don’t want, and won’t use.
I happen to use all of those, though I didn’t insist on having them all in one monster-app. But regardless, if one doesn’t want to use a feature – fine, don’t configure that part, and don’t select it. Nothing wrong with it.
What was Tim Cook’s comment about a <something>-toaster? Apple got that right.
No, Apple did not. Apple’s <something>-toaster has no user controls at all: you insert your <whatever> in it, and *Apple* decides when and how crispy it should be done. Your input is only to buy it or not. In fact, the only reason I don’t use MS Outlook at home is its slowness compared to Apple Mail. Were it faster – I’d be quite happy with its UI, and the fact that it can do more than I usually need (like, Reminders :) is perfectly OK – I just don’t go there. ;-)
> On Apr 24, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Disiena, Ridley (MSFC-IS90)[EAST2] <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> Outlook works pretty well now in the 2016 version. We had them add a feature to stop trying to decrypt large groups of emails at one. When they try decrypting many at once it caused a buffer clog and took forever if using keys on a token. They made a code change and published this KB:
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3172627
>
> Simple as turning it on via switch:
> defaults write com.microsoft.Outlook DisablePreviewForSMIME 1
>
> It then decrypts emails one at a time when selected.
>
> It is not on by default. They did not fix 2011, code base was too old. Builds before June 2016 did not have the option.
>
> -Ridley
>
> On 4/23/17, 10:16 AM, "Fed-talk on behalf of Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <fed-talk-bounces+ridley.disiena=email@hidden on behalf of email@hidden> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what problem(s) you're referring to. The current (of MacOS 10.12.4) Apple Mail seems to do S/MIME reasonably fine. In my experience, when a message is encrypted and signed, in most cases it will be shown as "Signed", other than that I'd say Apple fixed the email deal-breakers. Did I miss something important?
>
> I also find Microsoft Outlook clunkier than Apple Mail, with a different set of bugs/issues - but flawless when dealing with S/MIME, far better and more configurable than Apple Mail. So at work I use MS Outlook, and at home - Apple Mail. Token-based S/MIME in both cases.
>
> Regards,
> Uri
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 02:51, Henry B (Hank) Hotz, CISSP <email@hidden> wrote:
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>> *sigh* Thanks.
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>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:13 PM, William Cerniuk <email@hidden> wrote:
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>>> Unfortunately there is no other email that compares to Apple Mail. It may be exceptionally buggy but it is like crack as far as email is concerned, if for no other reason than the ability to sometimes integrate with "continuity" and the system.
>>>
>>> Apple Mail - definitely a Love-Hate abusive relationship. :-)
>>>
>>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 02:31, Henry B (Hank) Hotz, CISSP <email@hidden> wrote:
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>>>> From Google, it sounds like the bugs with Apple Mail in this respect still haven’t been solved. What are people using instead these days?
>>>>
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