December 2008 - Installer-dev

Re: Installer files in different languages
by John Brisbin 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) John Brisbin I am using PackageMaker v2 (in Tiger) and I'm trying to distribute our product internationally. For now, though, we only have English and French versions. We have the Welcome and License pages translated into French and I have an English.lproj and French.lproj folder in the Install_resources folder and those two lproj folders contain our Welcome, License and ReadMe (untranslated) files. When I run with an English locale, I get the English pages correctly and when I run in the French locale, I get the French pages correctly but when I run in Spanish (for example), I still get the French pages sometimes. If I last had the Mac set up for English (before switching to Spanish), I will get the English versions of the documents. At least, I think this is what's happening! I would like anyone running in any locale other than French to get the English pages. I thought I remembered reading that to get this behavior, I should put copies of the three documents at the Install_resources level (above English.lproj and French.lproj) in English. But when I do that, I only get the English versions of the documents no matter what langauge I set the Mac for. By the way, if I don't include the three documents at the Install_resources level, I get a non-fatal error - as if I should keep copies there. Can someone shed some light on this? Thank you, Jim Dodd Onset Computer Corporation This email sent to john(a)nakasuji.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I, too, thought that the development language (typically English) would be the fallback if the user's primary language was not found. However, I see that, at least, for 10.5 the International preference language list is a true ordered list (as documented in Scott Meyers book). This means that the user can select the languages he might be able to use in any order he sees fit. Then the OS goes down the list looking for the first language supported by the software that appears in the language list. I am not sure that you can override this behavior. I am sure I would not want to, since it seems ideal. Jim Dodd wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/john%40nakasuji.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Installer files in different languages
by Jim Dodd 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hpBXwVGJeIcYcswQfjSJWagKGtipJOx4fHRP3TrnN+rC02Gh/J6Q/QY+3a6y7K7F3N9106m+2WtHjgXI5FZzE1g8lPPr4SC0fwEcLOPAhKNjprbAqSJcdpKtV4ZftYRz2F5/F1KQ3TFdT1pIkwpskgXLNrqHRn8mVDhW7aMgGwg=; I am using PackageMaker v2 (in Tiger) and I'm trying to distribute our product internationally. For now, though, we only have English and French versions. We have the Welcome and License pages translated into French and I have an English.lproj and French.lproj folder in the Install_resources folder and those two lproj folders contain our Welcome, License and ReadMe (untranslated) files. When I run with an English locale, I get the English pages correctly and when I run in the French locale, I get the French pages correctly but when I run in Spanish (for example), I still get the French pages sometimes. If I last had the Mac set up for English (before switching to Spanish), I will get the English versions of the documents. At least, I think this is what's happening! I would like anyone running in any locale other than French to get the English pages. I thought I remembered reading that to get this behavior, I should put copies of the three documents at the Install_resources level (above English.lproj and French.lproj) in English. But when I do that, I only get the English versions of the documents no matter what langauge I set the Mac for. By the way, if I don't include the three documents at the Install_resources level, I get a non-fatal error - as if I should keep copies there. Can someone shed some light on this? Thank you, Jim Dodd Onset Computer Corporation _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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PackageMaker Installer
by Dave 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi All, Prior to MacOS 10.5.x I had an AppleScript based installer as so: This has worked wonderfully since MacOS X 10.3.x. So, my question is: Thanks a lot All the Best Dave _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… 1. A .dmg file containing an Installer AppleScript Application (called "Double Click to Install & Launch".app) and a Folder. The Installer copies the folder from the image to "/Applications" on the system volume. 2. Once the folder had been copied, it launches another AppleScript App (called "CleanUp.app"). This ejects the image and launches the main application. There 10.5.x was released and the above still works BUT, we get 4 or 5 security dialogs as so: When the user attempts to mount the Image file, the OS displays the "File downloaded from Internet" dialog, this is ok, however, after that, when the user launches "Install.app" a similar dialog appears, the same goes for "Cleanup.app" and for "RealApp.app", so we get 4 dialogs in total. Obviously this is unacceptable so I posted to the Cocoa list and was advised to use PackageMaker to build an installer. So I built an installer but I can't get it to install the folder containing the files, so far I have only managed to get it to install the myApp.app file. I have read "PackageMaker User Guide" and AFAIK have following the instructions given there. Basically I just drag the folder containing the files to the PackageMaker project window and then set the setting as appropriate. Is it possible to create an installer with PackageMaker that does the same as the AppleScript, e.g. installs a folder in "/Applications" that contains the Application and other files? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Test
by Taylor Armstrong 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) I'd give it a C-, personally. But at least you passed the test. Test -- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Dave wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/taylor.armstrong%40noa… This email sent to taylor.armstrong(a)noaa.gov ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. Taylor Armstrong Taylor.Armstrong(a)noaa.gov NOAA's National Ocean Service IT Support - AA/MB Team Lead 1305 East-West Highway Phone (301) 713-2644 Silver Spring, MD 20910 http://nos.noaa.gov IT Support Request Email: nos.helpdesk(a)noaa.gov ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Test
by Dave 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Test _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: some alarming PackageMaker / Installer behaviour
by Bill Coderre 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Bill, Can you elaborate on these changes in 3.0.3, or point me at more documentation on it? If this was documented in the release notes, forgive me for not catching it. I'd like to upgrade our automated build systems, and perhaps all developer machines, but can't do so without good justification. Knowing what changed in 3.0.3 will help make a case here. On Dec 12, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Craig Schamp wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Bill Coderre <bc(a)apple.com> wrote: On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Jason Proctor wrote: anyone from the Apple package maker or installer teams on this list? state your case. my support for the Mac platform is in question thanks to this situation. There are bugs with PackageMaker concerning relocatability. PackageMaker 3.0.3 was released recently, with changes to try to fix some of those bugs. I am sorry, but we didn't make release notes for 3.0.3. There were not a lot of changes. What I can recall is that we fixed a few crashers and made changes to try to address the "relocation flag gets turned on" bugs that plague everyone, much to our embarrassment. Hope that helps somewhat. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: recommended permissions/owner/group for application delivery in the manual method?
by Greg Neagle 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com You're right about root/admin. -Greg On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:46 AM, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Greg Neagle wrote: Hmm no. It should be: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… But once the user drags it to /Applications, it will be owned by the user. Interestingly, though, most of the drag-installed apps I have have 755 permissions. The Installer-installed ones are mostly 775, but some are 755. All of the Apple-created apps are 775. 755 root/wheel. 775 root/admin This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: recommended permissions/owner/group for application delivery in the manual method?
by Iceberg-Dev 13 Dec '08

13 Dec '08

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Re: How to create a no payload uninstaller package?
by Thomas Berglund 13 Dec '08

13 Dec '08

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Re: How to create a no payload uninstaller package?
by Karl Kuehn 13 Dec '08

13 Dec '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=wl0qppQcRdxRz3JOPoktuIXTtngSPrAs0E2fslDm3UI=; b=lXImYEoa+Cd5SW32CO0AlTxe2tXjHr8IbrLADkwm4DR3ascZCRhbBi7IdclAE2AtE5 XVnvFHhRyUvaGEDRA9KsLO8AQSA0/GNoPKm1ugNsmWhThnOD16Nt8nxDufTQIvT6AeaK ZivITyEfbqH+ZmTn3xmSiLdldA1ncMkJNOW+8= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=O8U4H85DTr8Xi36xlq+NIlyczEbEco5Gx/g5/kBRN81js+QPgFKe4q346H4JKcED06 bvSqeuXrumsikMmUaAjXqi+i4/GdLh7M2ufLMQOwYDBvD6Pxdfo5hZkuO90VsjV/dlDI IILUoETLpKhK7gcE2RANs8fssypjF5hheYUi0= On Dec 12, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Steve O'Sullivan wrote: http://s.sudre.free.fr/Software/Iceberg.html -- Karl Kuehn larkost(a)softhome.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… A few weeks ago someone mentioned to me (through this list) that one way to make an uninstaller was with PackageMaker. What was suggested was to create a pmdoc with no payload, and to then attach a postinstall script that does the actual removal of the software. I have tried this to no avail. It seems that I cannot add a postinstall script without a payload. I am stuck. I am using PackageMaker 3.0.1 and have read through the User's Guide several times while building my packages. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Use Iceberg. This is easy with Iceberg, and you get to avoid all the nastiness that has been PackageMaker in recent versions. On the other hand, you don't get to use the new flat-file format. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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