Re: [Rockies-Edu] Rockies-edu Digest, Vol 102, Issue 4
Re: [Rockies-Edu] Rockies-edu Digest, Vol 102, Issue 4
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- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 21:46:45 +0000
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Thanks - had not seen AirTame before, will check it out.
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Thanks Mike. I'd already reviewed both of those, but as you say, they don't
really answer the question. We have some fairly adaptable Infocus projectors,
and I can make a marginal improvement, maybe 20% bigger, with the digital zoom
before it starts overscanning, but then that has to be "undone" when they hook
up to their Macbooks. I am going to start playing with wireless solutions
again, see if that gets me anywhere. Just seems crazy it's this difficult to
get a full-screen display from the iPad.
Dan
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I should have mentioned, I'm pretty much still looking for a hard-wire
solution. We already have Airserver, but have had so many issues with it we've
largely abandoned it. It looks like they have updated their product somewhat,
and maybe it's time to take another look, but the underlying technology hasn't
changed, so far as I know. We have high-density Meraki MR34 APs that work
pretty well for everything else, just not AirPlay! Talking to Airserver and
Cisco support turned into a finger-pointing exercise, so I gave it up. And
since it primarily seems to be an AirPlay problem, I don't know that Reflector
will be any better - I think it's pretty much the same technology. But if I'm
wrong, someone please correct me!
I'm not opposed to going wireless in general. There is of course an
ever-expanding range of wireless mirroring/streaming choices, but I haven't
seen anything yet that looks like it just "works" reliably, easily, and is at
least somewhat manageable/secure.
Dan
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Good morning. Over the last year, we have converted most of our classrooms to
HDMI-only inputs to their projectors. We have discovered a problem with
connecting the iPads via the HDMI dongle, where the displayed image is much
smaller than the overall viewable area of the projector. Teachers are
understandably not happy with this, and want their VGA input back (which
projected the iPad at full-size). The iPads in question are primarily Airs and
Air II's assigned to the teachers, there may be a few iPad 4's from our
one-to-one program as well. I have read through a bunch of related threads
online about this, but haven't found anything remotely definitive. Some
reference the aspect ratio, some using Apple TV, etc., but nothing really seems
to address the issue directly. Has anyone else experienced this, and/or have a
fix?
Thanks,
Dan Miller
Technology Specialist
Telluride School District
(970)-369-1235
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Have you tried using Reflector 2? It is an app that works with a PC and Mac.
They could connect the laptop to the HDMI and reflect the iPad to the laptop.
We have a site license for our school.
http://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/
[http://www.airsquirrels.com/images/rf2-logo-home_2x.png]<http://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/>
Reflector 2 | Wireless mirroring & streaming for Android
...<http://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/>
www.airsquirrels.com
Reflector is a wireless mirroring and streaming receiver for Android devices,
iPhone, iPads, iPods, Computers and Chromebooks.
Kelly Lucero
Technician
Cherry Hills Village Elementary
720-747-2717
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Good morning. Over the last year, we have converted most of our classrooms to
HDMI-only inputs to their projectors. We have discovered a problem with
connecting the iPads via the HDMI dongle, where the displayed image is much
smaller than the overall viewable area of the projector. Teachers are
understandably not happy with this, and want their VGA input back (which
projected the iPad at full-size). The iPads in question are primarily Airs and
Air II’s assigned to the teachers, there may be a few iPad 4’s from our
one-to-one program as well. I have read through a bunch of related threads
online about this, but haven’t found anything remotely definitive. Some
reference the aspect ratio, some using Apple TV, etc., but nothing really seems
to address the issue directly. Has anyone else experienced this, and/or have a
fix?
Thanks,
Dan Miller
Technology Specialist
Telluride School District
(970)-369-1235
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Hi Dan,
It’s always striking to see the iPad in windowbox, aka underscan, what it’s
called when you have black bars on top and on bottom, when mirrored.
If you ever want an official answer to a specific and reproducible issue like
this, I encourage you to contact AppleCare who can directly support you, it’s
always comforting to have a final word on what you can and cannot support.
AppleCare Education: 1-800-800-2775 option 3.
iOS supports several resolution modes while mirroring. You’ve probably seen
iPad mirror fullscreen video in the native resolution and ratio without
windowboxing, through AirPlay or the lightning HDMI adapter. That said home
screen mirroring and default mirroring for apps behaves a little differently,
typically displayed in windowbox (apps may use a custom view/resolution when
mirroring, hence fullscreen video playback). Part of this is the challenge in
being able to mirror the home screen and apps in portrait and landscape modes
on the fly.
The most recently updated support article I found around this topic is this:
About overscan and underscan on your Mac, Apple TV, or other display (August
2017)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202763
Just before that this one was updated:
About Apple Digital AV Adapters for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch (July 2017)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202044
Neither precisely addresses what we're talking about here but help provide
Apple perspective.
Let me know if I can help any more.
-Mike
Michael Scott, Systems Engineer
Apple Education
Apple Inc.
(720) 346-3871
www.apple.com/education
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Dan Miller <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> Good morning. Over the last year, we have converted most of our classrooms to
> HDMI-only inputs to their projectors. We have discovered a problem with
> connecting the iPads via the HDMI dongle, where the displayed image is much
> smaller than the overall viewable area of the projector. Teachers are
> understandably not happy with this, and want their VGA input back (which
> projected the iPad at full-size). The iPads in question are primarily Airs
> and Air II’s assigned to the teachers, there may be a few iPad 4’s from our
> one-to-one program as well. I have read through a bunch of related threads
> online about this, but haven’t found anything remotely definitive. Some
> reference the aspect ratio, some using Apple TV, etc., but nothing really
> seems to address the issue directly. Has anyone else experienced this, and/or
> have a fix?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Miller
> Technology Specialist
> Telluride School District
> (970)-369-1235
>
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We are using AirTame on several of our projectors. It is a $299 device that
seems to work fairly well. You can download a client from their website and it
is a cross platform solution - even works on Chromebooks.
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Dan Miller <email@hidden>
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> Thanks Mike. I'd already reviewed both of those, but as you say, they
> don't really answer the question. We have some fairly adaptable
> Infocus projectors, and I can make a marginal improvement, maybe 20%
> bigger, with the digital zoom before it starts overscanning, but then
> that has to be "undone" when they hook up to their Macbooks. I am
> going to start playing with wireless solutions again, see if that gets
> me anywhere. Just seems crazy it's this difficult to get a full-screen
> display from the iPad.
>
> Dan
>
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> I should have mentioned, I'm pretty much still looking for a hard-wire
> solution. We already have Airserver, but have had so many issues with
> it we've largely abandoned it. It looks like they have updated their
> product somewhat, and maybe it's time to take another look, but the
> underlying technology hasn't changed, so far as I know. We have
> high-density Meraki
> MR34 APs that work pretty well for everything else, just not AirPlay!
> Talking to Airserver and Cisco support turned into a finger-pointing
> exercise, so I gave it up. And since it primarily seems to be an
> AirPlay problem, I don't know that Reflector will be any better - I
> think it's pretty much the same technology. But if I'm wrong, someone
> please correct me!
>
> I'm not opposed to going wireless in general. There is of course an
> ever-expanding range of wireless mirroring/streaming choices, but I
> haven't seen anything yet that looks like it just "works" reliably,
> easily, and is at least somewhat manageable/secure.
>
> Dan
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> Good morning. Over the last year, we have converted most of our
> classrooms to HDMI-only inputs to their projectors. We have discovered
> a problem with connecting the iPads via the HDMI dongle, where the
> displayed image is much smaller than the overall viewable area of the
> projector. Teachers are understandably not happy with this, and want
> their VGA input back (which projected the iPad at full-size). The
> iPads in question are primarily Airs and Air II's assigned to the
> teachers, there may be a few iPad 4's from our one-to-one program as
> well. I have read through a bunch of related threads online about
> this, but haven't found anything remotely definitive. Some reference
> the aspect ratio, some using Apple TV, etc., but nothing really seems
> to address the issue directly. Has anyone else experienced this, and/or have
> a fix?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Miller
> Technology Specialist
> Telluride School District
> (970)-369-1235
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> Have you tried using Reflector 2? It is an app that works with a PC
> and Mac. They could connect the laptop to the HDMI and reflect the
> iPad to the laptop. We have a site license for our school.
>
>
> http://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/
>
> [http://www.airsquirrels.com/images/rf2-logo-home_2x.png]<h
> ttp://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/>
>
> Reflector 2 | Wireless mirroring & streaming for Android ...<
> http://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/>
> www.airsquirrels.com
> Reflector is a wireless mirroring and streaming receiver for Android
> devices, iPhone, iPads, iPods, Computers and Chromebooks.
>
>
>
>
> Kelly Lucero
>
> Technician
> Cherry Hills Village Elementary
> 720-747-2717
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> Subject: [Rockies-Edu] iPad HDMI Mirroring Scaling Issue
>
> Good morning. Over the last year, we have converted most of our
> classrooms to HDMI-only inputs to their projectors. We have discovered
> a problem with connecting the iPads via the HDMI dongle, where the
> displayed image is much smaller than the overall viewable area of the
> projector. Teachers are understandably not happy with this, and want
> their VGA input back (which projected the iPad at full-size). The
> iPads in question are primarily Airs and Air II’s assigned to the
> teachers, there may be a few iPad 4’s from our one-to-one program as
> well. I have read through a bunch of related threads online about
> this, but haven’t found anything remotely definitive. Some reference
> the aspect ratio, some using Apple TV, etc., but nothing really seems
> to address the issue directly. Has anyone else experienced this, and/or have
> a fix?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Miller
> Technology Specialist
> Telluride School District
> (970)-369-1235
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> Hi Dan,
>
> It’s always striking to see the iPad in windowbox, aka underscan, what
> it’s called when you have black bars on top and on bottom, when mirrored.
>
> If you ever want an official answer to a specific and reproducible
> issue like this, I encourage you to contact AppleCare who can directly
> support you, it’s always comforting to have a final word on what you
> can and cannot support. AppleCare Education: 1-800-800-2775 option 3.
>
> iOS supports several resolution modes while mirroring. You’ve probably
> seen iPad mirror fullscreen video in the native resolution and ratio
> without windowboxing, through AirPlay or the lightning HDMI adapter.
> That said home screen mirroring and default mirroring for apps behaves
> a little differently, typically displayed in windowbox (apps may use a
> custom view/resolution when mirroring, hence fullscreen video
> playback). Part of this is the challenge in being able to mirror the
> home screen and apps in portrait and landscape modes on the fly.
>
> The most recently updated support article I found around this topic is
> this:
>
> About overscan and underscan on your Mac, Apple TV, or other display
> (August 2017)
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202763
>
> Just before that this one was updated:
>
> About Apple Digital AV Adapters for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch (July
> 2017)
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202044
>
> Neither precisely addresses what we're talking about here but help
> provide Apple perspective.
>
> Let me know if I can help any more.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> Michael Scott, Systems Engineer
> Apple Education
> Apple Inc.
> (720) 346-3871
> www.apple.com/education
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Dan Miller
> > <email@hidden>
> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning. Over the last year, we have converted most of our
> classrooms to HDMI-only inputs to their projectors. We have discovered
> a problem with connecting the iPads via the HDMI dongle, where the
> displayed image is much smaller than the overall viewable area of the
> projector.
> Teachers are understandably not happy with this, and want their VGA
> input back (which projected the iPad at full-size). The iPads in
> question are primarily Airs and Air II’s assigned to the teachers,
> there may be a few iPad 4’s from our one-to-one program as well. I
> have read through a bunch of related threads online about this, but
> haven’t found anything remotely definitive. Some reference the aspect
> ratio, some using Apple TV, etc., but nothing really seems to address
> the issue directly. Has anyone else experienced this, and/or have a fix?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dan Miller
> > Technology Specialist
> > Telluride School District
> > (970)-369-1235
> >
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