Re: Another perspective on WebObjects
Re: Another perspective on WebObjects
- Subject: Re: Another perspective on WebObjects
- From: "Marcelo Ruiz Camauer" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:32:22 -0300
You can't get the books at Borders or your local bookstore, but you can
order them by mail and have them in a couple of days. The Apple books are
not bad at all, either. You do have to have a solid background in Java to
understand the framework, not because of the syntax of the language but for
the exposure to the needs of solid, industrial-strength systems and the
frameworks needed to do anything remotely similar. Nevertheless, you can
get 80% of the benefit of WO knowing only 20% of it, for most types of
systems. You can program from day one with MS tools, and keep on doing it
for months afterwards, since the systems never get finished correctly...!
The true alternative is not ASP but .NET or J2EE, and those are every bit as
complex and then more, evidenced by the fact that there's a need for
hundreds of books to help you use these technologies!
Please try again.
Regards,
Marcelo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martin" <email@hidden>
To: <email@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Another perspective on WebObjects
> We are a small company that needs to migrate some PC based applications
> working with SQL Server to browser based applications and currently all
> of our apps depend on MS SQL server. I was very impressed by what I had
> read about WebObjects, and I went and purchased a new G4 Powerbook and
> ordered a copy of WebObjects from Amazon.Com. "Incredible", is an
> understatement to describe what WebObjects produces provided you use the
> OpenBase database and follow the tutorial application. But after 2
> frustrating weeks, I believe we will pull the plug and use CodeCharge
> instead for the following reasons:
>
> 1. WebObjects is supposed to connect to MS SQL easily. It doesn't,
> and finding documentation for the process is more difficult than finding
> the Holy Grail. Personally I don't have a high opinion of MS server
> software, especially MS Exchange, but MS inevitably becomes the center
> of the universe in everything they actively pursue. Making connections
> difficult to MS SQL may delight some, but it makes adoption for the
> majority of businesses prohibitive.
> 2. I bought WebObjects brand new from Amazon.Com, unfortunately I
> was stupid enough to buy 5.1, if I want the version that is supposed to
> work, I need to buy 5.2 all over again at full price. I know other
> software companies have deserved reputations for sometimes really
> sticking their customers, but this has to rank up there in the hall of
> fame of customer sticking. I understand that this software once cost
> $300,000, and the first PC cost $10,000, ancient history is no barometer
> for the fair present value of anything computer related. Once upon a
> time, I worked on a platform called the AS/400, once upon a time the
> AS/400 made up 8 of the 10 highest selling computer system slots. Once
> upon a time the AS/400 was the most productive and cost effective
> platform for developing enterprise software, and once upon a time IBM
> slept when GUI's took over the world.
> 3. Third party documentation. Good luck walking into Barnes and
> Noble and finding a book that even mentions WebObjects, or anywhere
> else. Am I the only person who has spent an afternoon desperately trying
> to find even a page of documentation at any thing that resembles a
> computer or book store? If I want ASP.NET, I can find a shelf of books
> at my grocery store, (well, not really, but B&N has 2 cases full of
> ASP.NET books). Online documentation, it's "fantastic", as long as you
> want to create anything like the tutorial apps, forget about anything
> different that the tutorial apps. Take a week of education, that would
> be nice, but a week of education is not needed for other productive
> development environments, they have something called documentation, not
> secret handshakes and decoder rings.
>
> I really liked the potential I saw in WebObjects, if it had worked out,
> then I had planned to buy another Powerbook for our Senior Programmer,
> and an XServe system to serve up our apps, but IMHO if Apple wants long
> term switches from the PC platform to the Apple platform, then they must
> aggressively support the application development community and make it
> easily to migrate application software from the PC's to Macs.
>
> History truly repeats itself, and the history of any platform and it's
> related success or failure is directly related to the availability and
> function of application software. Trotting home users onto television
> who either strictly use those apps that Mac has always done well, or
> your run of the mill AOL users is not going to generate a groundswell of
> switchers to the Apple platform.
>
>
> Disappointed John
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