Re: Is WO doomed?
Re: Is WO doomed?
- Subject: Re: Is WO doomed?
- From: Numair Faraz <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:13:07 -0700
Every year, people sit around and wonder to themselves, "will
WebObjects die? Will something come along and do things better?"
Nothing does, people waste time that they could have saved by using
WebObjects (and actually learning it *well*, which is extremely hard to
do), and the world goes on producing mediocre web software projects
which will eventually need to be scrapped and replaced by projects
built with one of two things - either something that is a blatant
ripoff of WebObjects, or WebObjects itself.
Do what you want. I am sure there are lots of people using WebObjects
who'd actually rather that others never figured out how to use it,
because that would afford them a competitive advantage. WebObjects is
what happens when you put a lot of really smart, creative people in one
place, have them think about the question that is "we have cgi-scripts
and the like, but what is the future of the web", and give them enough
resources to create an end product with the answer to this question. I
dare you to find any other web application server technology created in
such an environment.
In order to become a good WebObjects developer, you don't have to
simply be a good programmer - you have to be extremely smart,
open-minded, and patient; the state of our economy (at least in the US)
is a testament to the fact that there are very few such individuals out
there, even fewer who know how to program, and even fewer given the
permission to do what they want. So perhaps you are right.
If anything is certain, it's that Apple appears to have given up on
trying to explain to others why they need WebObjects. They know they
have the first and best web application server in the world, they know
it affords a competitive advantage, and they don't care if you notice.
If they had to hold your hand while teaching you how to use WebObjects,
you wouldn't be someone who'd truly understand it anyway. Apple's
internal initiatives alone are reason for them to keep maintaining the
product; I would almost say that external adoption is simply a nice
perk.
Sorry for the irritation. I just know this - I've been exposed to the
absolute smartest, most logical people working on web applications via
WebObjects. They could have made great architects (the real ones, not
the fake software title), but for some reason they decided to pick up
software. Even if Apple dropped support of the product TODAY, these
are people who would figure out how to make it work. Because good
software is like a well-built building - you don't throw it away, you
renovate.
And really, that's all that matters.
-numair
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 05:17 PM, jim wrote:
I understand the replies so far, but nothing encourages confidence.
Jim
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 06:36 PM, Art Isbell wrote:
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 12:04 PM, jim wrote:
I am not at the developer conference and am attempting to figure how
WO fits into the future of Panther Server..... In all the
literature I see no mention of WO. This includes Xcode.
Most of the the Xcode features discussed apply mostly to ObjC/C++/C
(i.e., Cocoa) rather than Java development. The Java compilers
supported by PBX are from Sun and IBM, so Apple doesn't seem to have
as much control over them as they do over the ObjC/C++/C compiler,
gcc. So while Xcode does claim to support Java, I suspect that Java
development won't be much different behind the scenes than it is with
PBX, although the Xcode GUI seems to be quite different.
My question is that the fact that there is little mention of WO with
OSX Panther Server. Will WO be supported under Panther Server?
I would be VERY surprised if it didn't.
Aloha,
Art
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