Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
- Subject: Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
- From: petite_abeille <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:48:17 +0100
On Oct 28, 2003, at 22:54, Ricardo Strausz wrote:
OK, let's doit fun.
That's the spirit :)
If you are an experienced developer and learn how to interpret the
docs (and are suscribed to this list) it works quite smooth.
Argh! This ruled me out then :(
It is being maintained and updated regularly by Apple (5.2.2,
anyone?).
At Apple's whims?
Yap!
And that's good or bad?
People are using WebObjects for large production applications.
Legacy?
Yap! and some few, are using also Cocoa/EOF eventhough it is not
supported.
Poor souls. But lets focus on new projects :)
It forms the basis for Apple's own innovative Web application
products.
By default?
Since Apple was buyed by NeXT, yes.
So it would have looked quiet, er, unsupportive if they had chosen
something else? Are they using it by, er, solidarity?
It's also cloaked in a lot of secrecy, is poorly advertised, and is
complicated to learn for a beginner. But it's certainly not a dying
technology.
Yep.
Unfotunely, but truth.
I would construct such qualification as midly negative, am I correct?
EOF is the oldest OO-persistent tool in the market;
Ripe? Like some cheese?
http://www.roquefort-societe.com/gb/caves/frame_abeille.html
there had been lots of good programmers out there using, testing and
debuging it.
Are they still around?
Ease to use (eventhough not that ease to undestand at first), quite
compleate, works with all recognized databases and now supports
WebServices.
Great. But the WS support comes from Apache, doesn't it?
http://ws.apache.org/axis/
You could use it directly, perhaps? Or use something more appropriate
like GLUE:
http://www.themindelectric.com/glue/
It is cost-efective: I can END an app faster than with any other tool.
Hmmm... such claims are hard to quantify.
I still do not understand way Apple is not supporting Cocoa/EOF...
It was too good.
WebObjects is not open-source,
Which impact its quality.
May be!
Surely.
Except this ghettoization, does WebObjects provide anything else?
Direct To x, nice tool to start with.
Perhaps. But considering that nobody quiet understand WebObjects, I
wonder how many people understand such a rule based system outside of,
er, ProjectWonder:
http://wonder.sourceforge.net/
What do you mean by pretends?
Little things:
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-March/
020441.html
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-March/
020479.html
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-March/
020485.html
EOF (and other frameworks) are PureJava.
Only formally.
If you take their .jar files and use them outside WO, they work as
well.
As long as you don't need to interoperate with anything else.
Right! Eventhough I "sign" a non-disclosure legal term, I'd never
undestud it. Some how we are limited to say: "WO is the best tool, and
it will get better"... no more details available.
The cognitive style of legal documents?
http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_pp
Sure; it is a symptom of an administrative decision (seeknes?): spend
the money in getting it better, not in advertice it...
Is there any money spent?
the "good" developers will do that job for free.
Ah. Too elitist. Plus, I don't qualify :(
I remember a set, called something like "the NeXTSTEP adventage" (a
book and a video)...
Is it what you are referring to:
http://nextstuff.info/mirrors/ftp.peak.org/next-ftp/next/documents/
next/NeXTstepAdvantage.README
I think Apple should spend some mony in doing something like that for
WO and give us tons of copies of it.
But is there enough cash to go around? You just said they should focus
on development, not on some marketing gimmicks.
Cheers,
PA.
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